Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6F2617A63 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82525 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2015 13:33:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@groovy.apache.org Received: (qmail 82479 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2015 13:33:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@groovy.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 82469 invoked by uid 99); 29 Sep 2015 13:33:36 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id C054CC7156 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.97 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.97 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Egvp0xd1d2su for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with SMTP id 70DF925849 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82180 invoked by uid 99); 29 Sep 2015 13:33:33 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 46D751A025E for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so16213326wic.1 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:33:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.113.33 with SMTP id iv1mr27197950wjb.65.1443533612065; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.145.211 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <56068BCE.6040105@gmail.com> <20150928143801.GV19314@boudnik.org> <1443453611.2009.15.camel@winder.org.uk> <1443531248.2332.50.camel@winder.org.uk> <20150929131241.GB13213@boudnik.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:33:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ? From: Bertrand Delacretaz To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM, C=C3=A9dric Champeau wrote: > ....One exit criteria is "growing the community", and growing > the community means finding new "committers", aka, people committed to th= e > project. And The definition here of committer binds it to having write > access to the repository, which has nothing to do with it IMHO.... You are technically correct but giving those people commit access to the repository, as part of making them committers, doesn't hurt. It's useful for 99% for them and for the others it's not a problem - we trust them not to touch what they don't master (like any committer) and worst case version control is our friend. So having two different roles for "coding committers" and "non-coding committers" would complicate things while bringing no tangible benefit. Basically, if you think someone is committed to Groovy and deserves to be listed as such, make them committers, as there's no better role here and the coding or non-coding distinction is not useful. -Bertrand