Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11B8B17547 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52532 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2015 11:49:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@groovy.apache.org Received: (qmail 52491 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2015 11:49:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@groovy.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 52481 invoked by uid 99); 29 Sep 2015 11:49:32 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:49:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 2CD7D18099E for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:49:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.019 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JJNU9npAX4y for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com (mail-ig0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id F2DE242B5D for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igcrk20 with SMTP id rk20so75074698igc.1 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8NxUG8KfeorMBpj29cRf8G7YnHcbNXZ/0ZXxZy48uN0=; b=CfS9sb1dhy2C7ZcmNxh+UxdnB6oNnC/Ow6WaJ8NZPCTINxUtVl/xWPKXZyyRJjxmoO /Zv4o9DKtpoZ93sWcXKxi1zhWIvBB8EOBhNdfjkn6nkBlXcyFYP/yLZtPQyJhDwZX+yZ YDt3A89GM5DX3McBzzV1+wH3toFn0oIJ5sc9S+q3wd4ADCXBKNT0QqrMAkWB4Un8piQB KRRt8sIpNz37a6jcHkqIllkKitriJmDXOrLAVjuYcSr5bhd8B9fJzhVH7a5LrCFM1YOB 4iZkFMb3SLoystBAb0PZ67ZSKDOeDwgXWc8BntKBpnpAZZpa67lgOIuSibT6hmSfaFa5 PvLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.70.67 with SMTP id k3mr22681167igu.76.1443527366594; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: shaposhnik@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.79.165 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:49:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1443453611.2009.15.camel@winder.org.uk> References: <56068BCE.6040105@gmail.com> <20150928143801.GV19314@boudnik.org> <1443453611.2009.15.camel@winder.org.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:49:26 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gq2Io4YL0jsItDZfw0ce8zTSbn8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ? From: Roman Shaposhnik To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Russel Winder wrote= : > On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, C=C3=A9dric Champeau wrote: >> We already have "non code committing" committers. Russel Winder and >> Dierk >> Koenig are examples. They can be seen as gate keepers of the Groovy >> community, and they accepted to become committers even though they >> haven't >> submitted any piece of code for a long time. I think this has been >> addressed already. We are just making sure that new committers are >> really, >> people committed to the project. > > I think this works well as a phrasing to get past all the tension over > labels and roles: Committers are people who commit to serving the > project, this has nothing at all to do with committing pull requests to > the mainline repository. Well said. I typically explain it to folks that at ASF, committers are thos= e who have a strong commitment to the project, not git/svn commit bit set. Thanks, Roman.