Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F3F1171F4 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46937 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2015 07:20:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-groovy-dev-archive@groovy.apache.org Received: (qmail 46891 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2015 07:20:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@groovy.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 46881 invoked by uid 99); 30 Sep 2015 07:20:23 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:20:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 27579C0419 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:20:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.121 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ODJpXxhQMZe6 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id EB966439C3 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so181016896wic.1 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 00:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8qwUVXCLzdWAoxAgXA9FNKNFYU044T7/90M4YWuucOI=; b=xD1Rh4pg7rsp6YYFeXFBqP1pXPCe7gSXbcuU3bbqc5uw3o4unGFvHaE9ZvkdDTHlzU UXROJbQ6+yvb1lXyYSWNUhmg1MYJb73dhAxYoa3DUtidiCOWtW9Aq0fEGTXMpEGsm03/ 3EOl6QRaB8EB4shQcbuEv3DZGr3BcIoQN6j2yebZk362m4LfgI1R+3mFMeKlvpVolt0x JBDt5JxZ5qVpMD9rnK9HvsPiHtojY5Q+yoPhV+oiccUX0lhl3gQbfWTtdOeGptn84tJw Q6+i9Qj3z2dEmfvR9/gg3KdUT9Lf9c3wH+4BHAobDhGQfzKDtOrVrSfZbRhnZigZk2/S Sprw== X-Received: by 10.194.92.68 with SMTP id ck4mr2643078wjb.141.1443597614953; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.147] (catv-80-98-57-8.catv.broadband.hu. [80.98.57.8]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c2sm27881588wiy.11.2015.09.30.00.20.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Sep 2015 00:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ? To: dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org References: <56068BCE.6040105@gmail.com> <20150928143801.GV19314@boudnik.org> <1443453611.2009.15.camel@winder.org.uk> <1443531248.2332.50.camel@winder.org.uk> <20150929131241.GB13213@boudnik.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Emmanuel_L=c3=a9charny?= Message-ID: <560B8D2B.9050800@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 09:20:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 29/09/15 15:33, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit : > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Cédric Champeau > wrote: >> ....One exit criteria is "growing the community", and growing >> the community means finding new "committers", aka, people committed to the >> project. And The definition here of committer binds it to having write >> access to the repository, which has nothing to do with it IMHO.... > You are technically correct but giving those people commit access to > the repository, as part of making them committers, doesn't hurt. > > It's useful for 99% for them and for the others it's not a problem - > we trust them not to touch what they don't master (like any committer) > and worst case version control is our friend. > > So having two different roles for "coding committers" and "non-coding > committers" would complicate things while bringing no tangible > benefit. > > Basically, if you think someone is committed to Groovy and deserves to > be listed as such, make them committers, as there's no better role > here and the coding or non-coding distinction is not useful. As a matter of fact, at Directory, we voted in someone who never contributed any code, but who spent a lot of his time educating people on how to use the software, and more important, advertized the project. We would call him an 'evangelist' at Sun /Oracle (except that evangelists have been recently eradicated from Oracle ;-) However, we had to grant him commit access to the code base, because it's part of the process. But there is more than just code in our coe base : - documentation - site - scripts and in this very case, he participated a lot of the site. So, yes, a committer is much more than just someone who write code, and yes, it's simpler to have one single commit flag for the project.