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From "Magyar, Bence (US SSA)" <bence.mag...@baesystems.com>
Subject RE: What a "worker" really is and other interesting runtime information
Date Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:43:17 GMT
Hi Alexandros,

I  increased my number of workers to "30", but my job just hangs at 3%:

./giraph -Dgiraph.useSuperstepCounters=false -DSimpleShortestPathsVertex.sourceId=100 ../target/giraph.jar
org.apache.giraph.examples.SimpleShortestPathsVertex -if org.apache.giraph.io.JsonLongDoubleFloatDoubleVertexInputFormat
-ip /user/hduser/insight -of org.apache.giraph.io.JsonLongDoubleFloatDoubleVertexOutputFormat
-op /user/hduser/insight-out-30 -w 30


No lib directory, assuming dev environment
No HADOOP_CONF_DIR set, using /opt/hadoop-1.0.3/conf
12/11/29 14:31:14 INFO mapred.JobClient: Running job: job_201211282132_0002
12/11/29 14:31:15 INFO mapred.JobClient:  map 0% reduce 0%
12/11/29 14:31:34 INFO mapred.JobClient:  map 3% reduce 0%
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient: Job complete: job_201211282132_0002
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient: Counters: 5
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:   Job Counters
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:     SLOTS_MILLIS_MAPS=2451427
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:     Total time spent by all reduces waiting after
reserving slots (ms)=0
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:     Total time spent by all maps waiting after reserving
slots (ms)=0
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:     Launched map tasks=8
12/11/29 14:36:39 INFO mapred.JobClient:     SLOTS_MILLIS_REDUCES=3725

Looking at the logs on my master machine:

/opt/hadoop-1.0.3/logs/userlogs/job_201211282132_0002/attempt_201211282132_0002_m_000000_0
$

I see:

2012-11-29 14:32:00,732 INFO org.apache.giraph.graph.BspServiceMaster: checkWorkers: Only
found 7 responses of 30 needed to start superstep -1.  Sleeping for 30000 msecs and used 0
of 10 attempts.
2012-11-29 14:32:30,766 INFO org.apache.giraph.graph.BspServiceMaster: checkWorkers: Only
found 7 responses of 30 needed to start superstep -1.  Sleeping for 30000 msecs and used 1
of 10 attempts.
2012-11-29 14:33:00,807 INFO org.apache.giraph.graph.BspServiceMaster: checkWorkers: Only
found 7 responses of 30 needed to start superstep -1.  Sleeping for 30000 msecs and used 2
of 10 attempts.
....
This repeats until: Sleeping for 30000 msecs and used 8 of 10 attempts.

Can anyone please provide guidance on what number of workers should be set to given some general
characteristics/topology of a cluster?  (Mine are given in the email chain below)

-Bence

From: Alexandros Daglis [mailto:alexandros.daglis@epfl.ch]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:30 PM
To: user@giraph.apache.org
Subject: Re: What a "worker" really is and other interesting runtime information

Hello Bence,

So, you have 96 cores at your disposal. My guess would be that 3 workers are not enough to
use all of them, you should either try with a lot more, or try to multithread them as Avery
said (thus, try 4 workers with 24 threads each). However, as I already reported, I tried this
myself and I didn't notice any improvement in performance. I guess scaling with the number
of worker threads is fundamental for a BSP framework so that's really weird, I guess I must
be doing something wrong.

Could you please try increasing your workers and tell me if you also don't notice any improvement
in performance? Furthermore, have you tried running with both 1 and 3 workers? Did you see
any difference there?

I really want to sort this scalability issue out...

On a final note, please don't use the word "node" for describing a lot of different things,
it got me quite confused :-) Your cluster's nodes have cores and your input is a graph with
140k vertices.

Cheers,
Alexandros
On 29 November 2012 14:02, Magyar, Bence (US SSA) <bence.magyar@baesystems.com<mailto:bence.magyar@baesystems.com>>
wrote:
Folks,

I have some of the same questions as Alexandros below.  What is exactly is "a worker"?  I
am not sure I understood Avery's answer below.  I have 4-node cluster.  Each node has 24 nodes.
 My first node is functioning (in MapReduce parlance) as both a "job tracker" as well as a
"task tracker".  So I have 4 compute nodes.  (I have verified that master/slave config is
correct).  I am launching the Giraph SimpleShortestPathsVertex example on an input graph with
approximately 140,000 nodes/ 410,000 edges and the computation is taking approx. 6 minutes.
 Although I don't know what a "good" number is, 6 minutes seems rather "slow" given all the
compute horsepower I have at my disposal.  When I monitor "top" on my machines while the compute
is running, my cores are ~ 80-90% idle.

I am launching my job with the following parameters:

./giraph -Dgiraph.useSuperstepCounters=false -DSimpleShortestPathsVertex.sourceId=100 ../target/giraph.jar
org.apache.giraph.examples.SimpleShortestPathsVertex -if org.apache.giraph.io.JsonLongDoubleFloatDoubleVertexInputFormat
-ip /user/hduser/in -of org.apache.giraph.io.JsonLongDoubleFloatDoubleVertexOutputFormat -op
/user/hduser/out -w 3

Note that I have my number of workers (-w =3).  Should this be some other value?  Does anyone
have any simple configuration suggestions that will help me tune Giraph to my problem?

Thanks!

Bence

From: Alexandros Daglis [mailto:alexandros.daglis@epfl.ch<mailto:alexandros.daglis@epfl.ch>]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:19 AM
To: user@giraph.apache.org<mailto:user@giraph.apache.org>
Subject: Re: What a "worker" really is and other interesting runtime information

Ok, so I added the partitions flag, going with

 hadoop jar target/giraph-0.1-jar-with-dependencies.jar org.apache.giraph.examples.SimpleShortestPathsVertex
-Dgiraph.SplitMasterWorker=false -Dgiraph.numComputeThreads=12 -Dhash.userPartitionCount=12
input output 12 1

but still I got no overall speedup at all (compared to using 1 thread) and only 1 out of 12
cores is utilized at most times. Isn't Giraph supposed to exploit parallelism to get some
speedup? Any other suggestion?

Thanks,
Alexandros
On 29 November 2012 00:20, Avery Ching <aching@apache.org<mailto:aching@apache.org>>
wrote:
Oh, forgot one thing.  You need to set the number of partitions to use single each thread
works on a single partition at a time.

Try -Dhash.userPartitionCount=<number of threads>


On 11/28/12 5:29 AM, Alexandros Daglis wrote:
Dear Avery,

I followed your advice, but the application seems to be totally thread-count-insensitive:
I literally observe zero scaling of performance, while I increase the thread count. Maybe
you can point out if I am doing something wrong.

- Using only 4 cores on a single node at the moment
- Input graph: 14 million vertices, file size is 470 MB
- Running SSSP as follows: hadoop jar target/giraph-0.1-jar-with-dependencies.jar org.apache.giraph.examples.SimpleShortestPathsVertex
-Dgiraph.SplitMasterWorker=false -Dgiraph.numComputeThreads=X input output 12 1
where X=1,2,3,12,30
- I notice a total insensitivity to the number of thread I specify. Aggregate core utilization
is always approximately the same (usually around 25-30% => only one of the cores running)
and overall execution time is always the same (~8 mins)

Why is Giraph's performance not scaling? Is the input size / number of workers inappropriate?
It's not an IO issue either, because even during really low core utilization, time is wasted
on idle, not on IO.

Cheers,
Alexandros

On 28 November 2012 11:13, Alexandros Daglis <alexandros.daglis@epfl.ch<mailto:alexandros.daglis@epfl.ch>>
wrote:
Thank you Avery, that helped a lot!

Regards,
Alexandros

On 27 November 2012 20:57, Avery Ching <aching@apache.org<mailto:aching@apache.org>>
wrote:
Hi Alexandros,

The extra task is for the master process (a coordination task). In your case, since you are
using a single machine, you can use a single task.

-Dgiraph.SplitMasterWorker=false

and you can try multithreading instead of multiple workers.

-Dgiraph.numComputeThreads=12

The reason why cpu usage increases is due to netty threads to handle network requests.  By
using multithreading instead, you should bypass this.

Avery


On 11/27/12 9:40 AM, Alexandros Daglis wrote:
Hello everybody,

I went through most of the documentation I could find for Giraph and also most of the messages
in this email list, but still I have not figured out precisely what a "worker" really is.
I would really appreciate it if you could help me understand how the framework works.

At first I thought that a worker has a one-to-one correspondence to a map task. Apparently
this is not exactly the case, since I have noticed that if I ask for x workers, the job finishes
after having used x+1 map tasks. What is this extra task for?

I have been trying out the example SSSP application on a single node with 12 cores. Giving
an input graph of ~400MB and using 1 worker, around 10 GBs of memory are used during execution.
What intrigues me is that if I use 2 workers for the same input (and without limiting memory
per map task), double the memory will be used. Furthermore, there will be no improvement in
performance. I rather notice a slowdown. Are these observations normal?

Might it be the case that 1 and 2 workers are very few and I should go to the 30-100 range
that is the proposed number of mappers for a conventional MapReduce job?

Finally, a last observation. Even though I use only 1 worker, I see that there are significant
periods during execution where up to 90% of the 12 cores computing power is consumed, that
is, almost 10 cores are used in parallel. Does each worker spawn multiple threads and dynamically
balances the load to utilize the available hardware?

Thanks a lot in advance!

Best,
Alexandros







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