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From Aldian_00 <aldian...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: your current Geronimo evaluation
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:44:55 GMT

Ok thank you very much to both of you. I am sorry if I have been unclear. I
wil now give some more explanations.

My company owns a Network Management System. We plan to developp a NGOSS
(Next Generation Operations Support System). It will be interfaced on front
end with a few client Web Browsers or desktop applications, and on back end
with the NMS using load balancing. We actually plan to implement only a few
features, but in the end it might become a very big software. So when I ask
if it is easy, it is because at the end many persons in our developpement
team will have to migrate from the old technologies they are currently
working on to this new one, and we don't want to loose too much time with
the complexities of the system.

In consequence of the fact many parts of software will come from many
different person, our deployment plans will probably be really complex ones,
so if you say it is inadequate on geronimo, we might consider using another
one, what do you think?

best regards

Aldian





Xasima Xirohata wrote:
> 
> Boring note.
> 
> I have a little remark on the "easy" word in your test questions. I
> think that this word DOES specify the aim of the comparing, so your
> tests may be named as "the best server to start for newbie/common
> task"-competition. But it's not very good to perform comparing ONLY
> for newbies or for common projects.
> 
> EASY TO INSTALL
> For example, the "easy to install"-test supposes "is it easy to
> install geronimo for regular needs". Yeap, it's easy. But nothing too
> specific (or extreme) in comparing with the installation of other
> products I think. Moreover, I would never take into account the
> 'simplicity of installation' since no something complex occurs in any
> of them if no troubles start.
> 
> But just imagine, that some ports (RMI/services) are already busy, you
> has misplaced your java-environment installation, you want to upgrade
> server or specific parts, and so on. If it occurs I insist that, for
> example, geronimo is much easy to tune or fix than ... (i can't
> compare with jboss or glassfish now, so put what i know) ..regular IBM
> WebSphere (not the community edition).
> 
> As for me, all servers are easy to install in normal circumstances,
> but i don't know how easy to tune or fix JBOSS/Glassfish installation
> if something goes wrong.
> 
> The next question is what actually you 're going to install easily. If
> it's just common out-of-box server, it's not the problem for any of
> them. But if you're in need to bundle your server with specific
> services (change the web services implementation, change any of jee
> SPINE services like JMS and so on), or even cut off most services to
> reduce your server up to specific configuration (we just tried to
> perform this some time ago when want to ship little server to run on
> customer side with derby as db), then i think you probably need to
> choose geronimo.
> Geronimo tends to support different projects as parts and allow easy
> substitution / reducing between them. As far as I know, it's better
> for this purpose than others. JBoss and Glassfish used to avoid such
> of reconfiguration as REGULAR, easy process, although they has hk2/
> module architectures too.
> 
> Thus, on my point of view Geronimo is more easy to tune and configure,
> more easy to fix. But if compare just an typical installation process
> with no troubles or specific reasons occurs, then probably all of them
> (and even an IBM WebSphere) do this process easily.
> 
> EASY DEPLOYMENT
> 
> Geronimo allow deployment both from console, from web interface and
> from IDE, although it's possible to monitor the server using maven
> plugins. The same is for rest of servers (JBOSS/Glassfish). I don't
> think that we need to compare which GUI is most easy to use to deploy.
> It's interesting for me to compare the ability to manage dependencies
> and services in complex projects. What's actually more easy to write
> (specific plans) and use (manage): gbeans + geronimo repositories, hk2
> + repository, jboss and (?) osgi.
> 
> So it's not question to do simple things easy (since all of servers
> comparatively simple), it's a question if it's possible to perform
> complex things at all (with reasonable time or at least
> well-documented).
> 
> EASY ADMINISTRATION
> Is it a question to do simple administration (JMX / Deployed
> Application, Memory Consumption) easily? As for me the more
> interesting question is how to monitor and manage an application
> server in cluster environment what we can manage / administrate. If
> it's possible to easily integrate server with predefined  monitoring
> service (*).
> 
> EASY  IDE INTERFACING
> 6 (If you don't know what to do, IDE will not help)... I will mark 10
> if even you don't sure exactly what to do, IDE will assist you
> COMPLETELY.
> 
> EASY DEVELOPMENT
> 
> Agree with Juergen Weber
> 
>> 5 (geronimo deployment plans like this one are really, really difficult:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/daytrader/trunk/plans/dayTrader-db2-9.1-XA-plan.xml),
>> the JEE standard parts are easy, the Java part of GBeans is easy, too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (*) for example http://www.hyperic.com/demo/monitoring-screenshots.html
> 
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Aldian_00 <aldian.gp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody
>>
>> I am currently working on a comparative study of Jonas, Jboss, Glassfish,
>> Geronimo. For all technical questions, I already have the information on
>> the
>> internet, and those four are the only one application servers that can
>> meet
>> my needs. But I would like to know what do experienced user think about
>> their ergonomy. For each of them, I am posting the same question on their
>> respective forum. Please be honest and objective so that I can make a
>> good
>> comparison (even if for you Geronimo is clearly the best ;)).
>>
>> About Geronimo, what evaluation (please give a mark from 1=worst to
>> 10=best)
>> would you give concerning the following tests?
>>
>> * easy to install
>> * easy deployment
>> * easy administration
>> * easy IDE interfacing
>> * easy developement
>>
>> Feel free to comment about the others softwares if you know something
>> about
>> them.
>>
>> Thank You very much !
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>>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>      ~ Xasima Xirohata ~
> 
> 

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