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From: David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Customizing install of apps
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:22:30 -0800
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On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:31 PM, jamesdcarroll wrote:

>
> Thank you very much for your quick reply. I saw mention of GBeans  
> and will
> look at them more closely.

Gbeans are geronimo's idea of a (fine grained) service component.   
Unless you are doing something very unusual you won't need to write  
any additional gbeans.  You may need to configure some for things like  
security realms, but there are various wizards in the admin console  
and GEP to help with this.

>  My initial concern, though, is that the apps
> need to be portable (perhaps with minor changes) to other J2EE  
> containers.
> That's why I was thinking that packaging them up as WAR/EARs. But  
> I'll look.
> Maybe I can make a compelling case to my boss.

I might have been a bit unclear.  I'd recommend you start with your  
javaee war/ear apps and "predeploy" them onto geronimo to create  
geronimo plugins.  One way to look at this is that it encapsulates  
everything geronimo-related needed to run your app on geronimo.  Then  
you can use the plugin framework to either easily add these plugins  
(your apps) to an existing geronimo server or construct a server that  
just contains your apps and the geronimo bits needed to run them.

With this approach you'll still have the javaee apps available to  
deploy on other containers -- we just try to make it so as much as  
possible of the "deployment" step happens during your build process.

hope this is clearer :-)

david jencks

>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
>
>
> djencks wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:41 PM, jamesdcarroll wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm really new to Geronimo/J2EE and was wondering if it is possible
>>> to place
>>> my own customer installer in front of geronimos. We want to create a
>>> number
>>> of products that do different things, but we need to have a central
>>> repository that tracks them, which will be its own product as well.
>>>
>>> Basically the use case would be:
>>> 1. User opens our admin app on geronimo(a WAR/EAR)
>>> 2. User elects to add new component; the components would be WAR or
>>> EAR
>>> files
>>> 3. My program grabs it and parses a manifest or some other kind of
>>> config
>>> file in it
>>> 4. My program updates/does whatever it needs to
>>> 5. My program hands the WAR/EAR off to Geronimo for it to do its  
>>> thing
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, I'm kinda new and I'm reading the doc fast as I
>>> can.  If
>>> there's something out there that I can maybe focus on, any point in
>>> the
>>> right direction would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>
>> Geronimo is actually designed to make strategies like this fairly
>> easy.  You want to deploy your applications as geronimo plugins
>> (probably using a maven build and the car-maven-plugin).  You can  
>> then
>> either assemble custom servers including your applications (and
>> leaving out stuff they don't need) or provide a basic geronimo server
>> and a plugin repository containing your plugins: in the latter case
>> you can use the existing plugin installer portlet to show the choices
>> and let people install the ones they want, or write your own front  
>> end.
>>
>> Plugins are a bit easier to work with in geronimo trunk/2.2-SNAPSHOT
>> than in the released geronimo versions.  We'll probably have 2.2 out
>> before you get too far with this project :-).
>>
>> There is some documentation, especially for 2.2, on plugins, custom
>> server assemblies, and also dealing with both of these using eclipse/
>> GEP.
>>
>> Let us know if you have more questions or need more capabilities in
>> the plugin system.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
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