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From "Shiva Kumar H R" <shiv...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How important is simplifying Creation/Updation of Geronimo Deployment Plans?
Date Tue, 22 May 2007 04:59:10 GMT
As recommended by Hernan, I have moved the proposal wiki page (mentioned at
the beginning of mail chain) to another space. Please use this new link for
accessing it:
http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDEV/geronimo-deployment-plans-how-to-simplify-creation-or-updation.html

- Shiva

On 5/22/07, Shiva Kumar H R <shivahr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great. Thanks for your valuable comments Mark.
>
> As you suggest a "tool/wizard for auto creating Geronimo Deployment Plan
> by scanning the corresponding Java-EE plan/annotation" would fit best within
> "Admin Console", may be as an extension to the Deploy New<http://localhost:8080/console/portal/apps/apps_all>tool.
>
> In addition, as you point out, it could also be useful to enable
> Developers to specify Geronimo specific deployment information through
> Annotations (may be as JSR-175 annotations instead of XDoclet based
> Annotations). One our Committers 'Sachin Patel' had started one such
> discussion
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg39760.html. Your
> feedback here has  helped clarify that discussion also.
>
> Thanks again Mark. User feedbacks have always been Gold Mines. Please keep
> pouring your suggestions and feedback in future.
>
> If I understand correctly David Jencks, Aaron Mulder, David Blevins, Tim
> McConnell and Others are the experts in Geronimo Deployment Plans and
> Annotations. It would be valuable if they too can post their view on this.
>
> Thanks,
> Shiva
>
> On 5/21/07, Mark Aufdencamp < mark@aufdencamp.com> wrote:
> >
> >  It's definitely needed!  I'm the Architecture/Project Manager type with
> > twenty years in the business.  I've been engaged in re-learning the JEE
> > stack over the last six months with Geronimo.  I've been befuddled a half
> > dozen times in the learning curve by the configuration files. This list has
> > helped to resolve all of them:)
> >
> >  I've been using MyEclipse learning materials which are all JBoss
> > based.  I've been able to use XDoclet to generate my ejb-jar.xml.  This
> > has been very helpful, but I have had to hand translate the open-ejb.jarcomponents.
 This also applies to the
> > geronimo-web.xml file.  It would have been very helpful to have these
> > generated by the XDoclet annotations like the available JBoss tags.  I would
> > also mention at this point that the lack of a global JNDI service created an
> > additional learning knock about the container specific configuraion
> > files:).  Yes, they have to be defined n the container config in order to be
> > accessed.  That's the developer perspective in me.
> >
> >  Now for the Architect/PM side.  I very much believe in the seperation
> > of duties, and auditability of application/server/network administration.  I
> > don't believe that I can get my server administrators to create a hand
> > crafted deployment plan that would have any chance at mashing up with
> > generic code coming from my web developer or ejb/database developer!  A
> > template system that incorporated creation of the container specific
> > configuration based on the web.xml and ejb-jar.xml would be a valuable
> > tool within the server administration tool set.  I would expect a tool like
> > this to be available within the management console in direct proximity to
> > the deploy application tool!  Setting deployment specific environment values
> > falls within this scope as well.   In my early J2EE experiences with
> > Websphere 3.5, this was I believe a component of the server jar
> > deployment wizard.
> >
> > My two cents.
> >
> > Mark Aufdencamp
> > Mark@Aufdencamp.com
> >
> >  -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: How important is simplifying Creation/Updation of Geronimo
> > Deployment Plans?
> > From: "Shiva Kumar H R" < shivahr@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, May 21, 2007 8:38 am
> > To: user@geronimo.apache.org
> >
> >  Creating or updating of Geronimo Deployment Plans has always been a
> > tedious and erroneous task. As evident from the user mailing list, first
> > time users (and sometimes even advanced users) have always had some issue or
> > the other when it comes to correctly creating Geronimo deployment plans.
> >  I have always wished that Geronimo Development Tools (like Geronimo
> > Eclipse Plug-in) provide some facility for auto creating or updating the
> > Geronimo deployment plans. I have created a wiki page summarizing my
> > proposal:
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-deployment-plans-how-to-simplify-creation-or-updation.html
> >
> >  If this is something of use for you as a user/developer, it would be
> > valuable if you can take a moment and provide your feedback/comment as a
> > reply to this mail. Your feedback/comment would help determine the needs of
> > User community and would better convince the dev-community into taking this
> > up.
> >  Also if you have any new proposals please post it on the above wiki
> > page.
> > <http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-deployment-plans-how-to-simplify-creation-or-updation.html>
> > - Shiva
> >
> >
>

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