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From "Shiva Kumar H R" <shiv...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How important is simplifying Creation/Updation of Geronimo Deployment Plans?
Date Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:10 GMT
Great. Thanks for your valuable comments Mark.

As you suggest a "tool/wizard for auto creating Geronimo Deployment Plan by
scanning the corresponding Java-EE plan/annotation" would fit best within
"Admin Console", may be as an extension to the Deploy
New<http://localhost:8080/console/portal/apps/apps_all>tool.

In addition, as you point out, it could also be useful to enable Developers
to specify Geronimo specific deployment information through Annotations (may
be as JSR-175 annotations instead of XDoclet based Annotations). One our
Committers 'Sachin Patel' had started one such discussion
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg39760.html. Your
feedback here has  helped clarify that discussion also.

Thanks again Mark. User feedbacks have always been Gold Mines. Please keep
pouring your suggestions and feedback in future.

If I understand correctly David Jencks, Aaron Mulder, David Blevins, Tim
McConnell and Others are the experts in Geronimo Deployment Plans and
Annotations. It would be valuable if they too can post their view on this.

Thanks,
Shiva

On 5/21/07, Mark Aufdencamp < mark@aufdencamp.com> wrote:
>
>  It's definitely needed!  I'm the Architecture/Project Manager type with
> twenty years in the business.  I've been engaged in re-learning the JEE
> stack over the last six months with Geronimo.  I've been befuddled a half
> dozen times in the learning curve by the configuration files. This list has
> helped to resolve all of them:)
>
>  I've been using MyEclipse learning materials which are all JBoss based.
> I've been able to use XDoclet to generate my ejb-jar.xml.  This has been
> very helpful, but I have had to hand translate the open-ejb.jarcomponents.  This also
applies to the
> geronimo-web.xml file.  It would have been very helpful to have these
> generated by the XDoclet annotations like the available JBoss tags.  I would
> also mention at this point that the lack of a global JNDI service created an
> additional learning knock about the container specific configuraion
> files:).  Yes, they have to be defined n the container config in order to be
> accessed.  That's the developer perspective in me.
>
>  Now for the Architect/PM side.  I very much believe in the seperation of
> duties, and auditability of application/server/network administration.  I
> don't believe that I can get my server administrators to create a hand
> crafted deployment plan that would have any chance at mashing up with
> generic code coming from my web developer or ejb/database developer!  A
> template system that incorporated creation of the container specific
> configuration based on the web.xml and ejb-jar.xml would be a valuable
> tool within the server administration tool set.  I would expect a tool like
> this to be available within the management console in direct proximity to
> the deploy application tool!  Setting deployment specific environment values
> falls within this scope as well.   In my early J2EE experiences with
> Websphere 3.5, this was I believe a component of the server jar deployment
> wizard.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Mark Aufdencamp
> Mark@Aufdencamp.com
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: How important is simplifying Creation/Updation of Geronimo
> Deployment Plans?
> From: "Shiva Kumar H R" < shivahr@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, May 21, 2007 8:38 am
> To: user@geronimo.apache.org
>
>  Creating or updating of Geronimo Deployment Plans has always been a
> tedious and erroneous task. As evident from the user mailing list, first
> time users (and sometimes even advanced users) have always had some issue or
> the other when it comes to correctly creating Geronimo deployment plans.
>  I have always wished that Geronimo Development Tools (like Geronimo
> Eclipse Plug-in) provide some facility for auto creating or updating the
> Geronimo deployment plans. I have created a wiki page summarizing my
> proposal:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-deployment-plans-how-to-simplify-creation-or-updation.html
>
>  If this is something of use for you as a user/developer, it would be
> valuable if you can take a moment and provide your feedback/comment as a
> reply to this mail. Your feedback/comment would help determine the needs of
> User community and would better convince the dev-community into taking this
> up.
>  Also if you have any new proposals please post it on the above wiki page.
> <http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-deployment-plans-how-to-simplify-creation-or-updation.html>
> - Shiva
>
>

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