Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 69319 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 18:56:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 18:56:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16769 invoked by uid 500); 24 Apr 2007 18:56:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-user-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 16740 invoked by uid 500); 24 Apr 2007 18:56:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: user@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list user@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 16725 invoked by uid 99); 24 Apr 2007 18:56:36 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:56:36 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [206.190.53.30] (HELO smtp105.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.53.30) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:56:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 3551 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 18:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (drw_web@24.211.224.252 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 18:56:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j_rVWycVM1nA4p9RuFh_Rr86Zq88RO8IeLaadUstAg8uZHr53UPrZjxnh2mVvpmVYCMobLZrzg-- Message-ID: <462E52C5.6090406@apache.org> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:56:05 -0400 From: Donald Woods Reply-To: dwoods@apache.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: user@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Geronimo's vision References: <462CF63F.4060608@joyfulnoisewebdesign.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020304030004090801040006" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020304030004090801040006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the shortness of answers, but we try to keep known IBM WASCE specific issues out of the Geronimo community, since we (WASCE) are the ones who reuse Apache Geronimo source code as allowed under the ASL v2 license. We have had several discussions before between WASCE and Geronimo members about the Eclipse Plug-in and how to best "rebrand" it for our offering. Currently, its just that, a rebranding to change the displayed names and graphics in Eclipse, disable a few features (like the ability to download a server instance) and add a few features (like the ability in our current 1.1.1 plugin to mark references to Geronimo provided jars besides the J2EE Spec jars as warnings.) It was our (WASCE) decision, to not change all of the package, plugin and feature names from the Geronimo provided org.apache.geronimo.devtools.* in the plugin code, which would have been the only way to solve this problem within the provided Eclipse programming model today. Our overriding goal, is to not create a fork of the Geronimo code (including the Eclipse Plugin), which would be so completely different, that none of the Geronimo Apps, Samples, Tools or Plugins would not work with WASCE. As we work on delivering a 2.0 release, we always welcome suggestions of how to improve our WASCE offering and eliminate any detrimental impacts we have on Geronimo users, but I still feel that those initial discussions are better had on our IBM devWorks forum or through our IBM Support channels, instead of the Geronimo mailing lists. Once we have defined features or enhancements that require changes in Geronimo and which would benefit users of Geronimo, then we can open JIRAs or start a discussion thread on the Geronimo mailing lists.... As for this case, if you have knowledge or suggestions on how to create "rebrandable" Eclipse plugin that can allow multiples to coexist within a single Eclipse workspace, then please do start a IBM devWorks or dev@geronimo thread with the details so we can further explore this for a future release. -Donald Bruno Melloni wrote: > Hello Matt, > > Thanks for your answer. As to your question, it was bug 3095. The bug > may be in the Geronimo plugin code or it may be in the WAS CE derivation > from such code. Regardless of where it is, it hampers the ability to > use Geronimo in Eclipse when another server derived from Geronimo (WAS > CE in this case) is installed first. > > The response seems to say that this is a "known limitation" of WAS CE, > not Geronimo, and sounded as coming from a WAS CE team member. It also > indicates that "we will not be fixing it in the 1.1 or 2.0 releases" (of > WAS CE I presume) and was closed as "invalid". > > No chance seemed to be given to the Geronimo team to consider the side > effects or to take preventive measures (i.e.: Adding a clause to the > Geronimo license requiring that any derived work must not interfere with > the original). > > bruno > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Hogstrom [mailto:matt@hogstrom.org] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:13 PM > To: user@geronimo.apache.org > Subject: Re: Geronimo's vision > > Hi Bruno, > > <-- snip --> > > I was concerned about your comment about "how a bug report was handled" > comment you mentioned above. 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