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I started looking into the = daytrader app you mentioned.=A0 = I think I found its deployed instance in config-store/28, but it = looks like it bundles the activemq and tranql resource adapters under = the TradeDataSource and TradeJMS subdirectories, respectively.=A0 Are you saying they don't = need to be there, that they could be referenced from the daytrader app = somehow?

They are added by the = configuration building process, the simplification is that you don't = need to include the rars in your ear yourself.=A0 We are thinking about a way = to make it so deploying a j2ee artifact does not copy any of it into the = configuration but refers to it in some form in the repository, but this = will require at least a new classloader and perhaps unpacking the nested = jars into a flat structure.

I'm trying to = get away from using JBoss because their software is buggy and they're a = pain in the ass, but their resource adapter deployment and configuration = is easier and more flexible than what Geronimo currently offers.=A0 Aside from the issue of being = able to share a single rar among multiple applications, I can also = deploy a rar file to JBoss without any kind of JBoss-specific = configuration.=A0 (I = understand said resource adapter is useless without further = configuration --- it's the principle that I don't have to build multiple = rar archives, one for each app server implementation, that matters to = me.)

I think there's a = communication problem here, but I'm not sure exactly what or where it = is.=A0 I hope I can get you to explain what you mean in a way I can = understand more easily.=A0 Unfortunately I don't remember all the = details of how I wrote the jboss connector stuff, and they might have = changed it somewhat in the last couple years, but... what do you mean by = deploying a rar file without a plan?=A0 it seems to me that all that is = possible is to get the classes into a classloader that can be referenced = somehow.=A0 If you want a usable instance, you need a vendor plan and a = reference to the ra.xml in the rar and some classloader with the classes = in it.

In = geronimo, you do roughly the same thing.=A0 There are a couple ways to = make the deployment happen, and which you choose depends a lot on = whether you are trying to put together a special purpose server for your = app or viewing geronimo as something you can't change and just want to = deploy your app on.=A0 If you are trying to build a server or want to=A0 = be able to=A0 distribute your deployed application, you should use the = packaging plugin to build a configuration from the rar and your plan.=A0 = (soon there will be a offline deployer to let you do this without = needing maven).=A0 You can then assemble a server including the .car = file generated.=A0 If you want to regard geronimo as immutable, you can = use the online deployer, again with the rar file and your plan.=A0 I = don't see the difference between putting the rar file in the maven repo = or the geronimo repo (geronimo) or "deploying" it without a plan on = jboss.

If you = build the car file, you will be able to include it in any geronimo = server you want: it includes all its classes and is "predeployed".=A0 = (the tool support for adding it to an existing server is not too good = yet).

I'm not familiar with = Geronimo's deployment strategy, but it sounds like each deployment = module gets its own classloader.=A0 Rather than copy dependencies, = couldn't they be referenced via classloader delegation or a similar = mechanism?

We = would like to come up with a way to avoid copying all the classes into a = car file, but as I mentioned this will take some classloader tricks.=A0 = However, I'm not sure how this affects a user.=A0 The copying is done by = geronimo during deployment.=A0 As long as you only need to start with = one copy of the rar, why do you care how many times geronimo copies = it?

thanks

david = jencks

(looks like I confused the quoting in my mail program, = sorry)

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