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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: Other MP Specs @ Geronimo?
Date Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:35:38 GMT
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:59 PM David Blevins <>

> > On Sep 4, 2017, at 4:56 PM, John D. Ament <> wrote:
> >
> > So I want to pick back up at least with fault tolerance.  Would anyone
> be opposed to starting up a repo on it?  I'm thinking of the name
> "Safeguard" so that it would either be "org.apache.safeguard" or
> "org.apache.geronimo.safeguard" as group id in maven (xbean uses the
> former, config the latter).
> I have a strong preference for “org.apache.safeguard" over
> “org.apache.geronimo.safeguard”.  We have 14 years of Google search results
> to work against and a few million developers brains that say Geronimo is an
> app server.  Every time we put “Geronimo” on something, it’s a strike
> against Hammok, Meecrowave and TomEE and any MP implementation that may
> want to use it but not confuse the world that “Geronimo is back".

My preference is to keep "org.apache.safeguard" as well.  I've created the
base skeleton with "org.apache.geronimo.safeguard" but not sure it'll
stay.  Would be good to get a solid response on naming recommendations, so
we'll see.  Most other sub-projects just use their own name.

> If we do want a parent package, I repeat we can use org.apache.xbean if we
> like.  It was meant for common reusable stuff.  We do not need to shackle
> ourselves with any self-imposed restrictions like “xbean needs to be all
> released at once”.  That was only done out of laziness.
The reason I'm hesitant to look at XBean, it seems to be focused on a
single target (which is good for a sub-project).  It would start to confuse
things to make more stuff XBean.  Plus its a kind of odd name, I'm guessing
the X is for XML.

> -David

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