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From Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: Configuration for Java SE and Java EE JSR
Date Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:49:41 GMT
Can we have a weekend moratorium on this thread so we call all cool off?

I’d like to toss out some important points to consider over the weekend.

TL;DR:
it’s ok for there to be multiple ASF projects that accomplish the exact same thing
any competent person is welcome to join any ASF project
the Apache Software Foundation, itself, does not submit JSRs
It’s ok for there to be multiple ASF projects that accomplish the exact same thing

There is no land grab of ideas or product spaces here at the ASF.  If a bunch of people I
wanted to implement a map/reduce system we could. The fact that Apache Hadoop is in existence
shouldn’t be a barrier.  I’ll go even further and say that because of AL2.0, we could
fork bits, or even co-opt huge swaths of code, from Apache Hadoop and use it to our own means.
 The only criteria the ASF would hold our new project to is that of a healthy vibrant community.

Any competent person is welcome to join any ASF project

Anyone could join our new fictitious project, even Apache Hadoop developers.  An interesting
result of this is that just because people worked on Apache Hadoop, they are not married to
Apache Hadoop.  They are not traitors if they decide to also dabble in our new project.  So
long as there are healthy vibrant communities on both sides, e.g. interactions are done in
a respectful manner, it’s all good in the eyes of the ASF.

The Apache Software Foundation, itself, does not incubate/submit JSRs

The protocol etiquette of submitting a JSR is, thankfully, the JCP’s headache and such discussions
should take place outside of the ASF project mailing lists.  Also, just because a project
is a part of the ASF does not ensure that it will be a viable JSR. Being an ASF project does
not imply that the ASF explicitly or implicitly endorses it as a JSR contender. IMHO, it may
be a bit premature to submit a JSR for this problem domain; jm2c.


Regards,
Alan


> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks!
> 
> I’ve started to extract the configuration work I’ve done in OWB, MyFaces and DeltaSpike
into an own little project.
> For the MyFaces and DeltaSpike parts I got help from ASF member Gerhard Petracek.
> 
> My goal is to establish an own JSR for configuration.
> 
> So far it consists of 2 classes for the API and 4 classes for the SPI.
> The source can be found here.
> https://github.com/struberg/javaConfig
> 
> And that’s pretty much it! There is not much more needed for it.
> 
> I would love to move this to Geronimo. Simply because geronimo is kind of an EE-commons
for the ASF nowadays ;)
> 
> wdyt?
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub


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