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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: Configuration for Java SE and Java EE JSR
Date Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:06:51 GMT
You know that this is a chicken-egg problem and that there are many projects which did totally
different?
Oracle is also actively using the org.apache package names, whoops …
Lets stop that legal discussion. You are not a lawyer.

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 15.07.2016 um 00:57 schrieb Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com>:
> 
> What's out on GitHub is taken for granted and can be forked and cloned as
> you know.
> 
> A POC must not be called javax.config without a JSR ever being proposed or
> accepted just to try out "how it feels".
> When JSR 275 was stopped we took the ideas and working concepts to a new
> project "unitsofmeasurement.org" for almost 5 years, not just do a "rogue
> JSR".
> Only when JSR 363 was approved we reused the namespace.
> 
> So as a POC call it "config" if you like but not "javax.config",
> "java.config" or "jdk.config" that implies a working JSR or parts of the
> JDK;-)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Member, JSR 363 Co Spec Lead |
> Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Champion | Apache Committer
> 
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> | #DevOps | #EclipseUOMo
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> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Le 15 juil. 2016 00:46, "Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Yes but neither at Apache nor elsewhere you can just go and declare "your
>>> JSR", this is unacceptable especially from the package space point.
>>> A JSR under "javax.something" is only allowed for an EG once a JSR was
>>> filed and approved by the Executive Committee.
>>> 
>>> Mark is free to register any domain like "marksconfig.io" because .io is
>>> just hip now and used by everybody and declare that project on GitHub.
>>> If someone wishes to propose a new JSR, go ahead and do so under
>>> https://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/proposal but not like that ;-(
>>> 
>>> Nobody did so, thus if it ever happened, any of the mentioned projects
>> may
>>> be listed as "initial contribution", inspiration or whatever, but simply
>>> throwing something out there under javax.config is unconstructive, just
>>> because you you're unhappy with either Apache Commons Config, Typesafe
>>> Config, Spring Config, DeltaSpike Config or Tamaya.
>>> 
>> 
>> It is a proposal/poc. Let s keep focus on real topic and dont flame Mark
>> yet on details
>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Werner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tamaya is far beyond a JSR in design and impl. It is a promishing
>> product
>>>> but too opponiated to be a JSR today IMO. Config needs something
>> smaller.
>>>> DS solution is a pretty good start for that.
>>>> 
>>>> Le 15 juil. 2016 00:33, "Oliver B. Fischer" <o.b.fischer@swe-blog.net>
>> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> I a little bit confused. As I know our common goal is to establish a
>>>>> configuration JSR based on Tamaya. I wouldn't like to see here a race
>> for
>>>>> the one how submits its JSR first....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 15.07.16 um 00:24 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 Mark if it can be a real JSR otherwise we can stick with DS and
>>>> Tamaya
>>>>>> for asf.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 15 juil. 2016 00:20, "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Doesn't this overlap with another project you've been involved with,
>>>>>>> Tamaya?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2016 6:10 PM, "Mark Struberg" <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve started to extract the configuration work I’ve done
in OWB,
>>>> MyFaces
>>>>>>> and DeltaSpike into an own little project.
>>>>>>> For the MyFaces and DeltaSpike parts I got help from ASF member
>> Gerhard
>>>>>>> Petracek.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My goal is to establish an own JSR for configuration.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So far it consists of 2 classes for the API and 4 classes for
the
>> SPI.
>>>>>>> The source can be found here.
>>>>>>> https://github.com/struberg/javaConfig
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And that’s pretty much it! There is not much more needed for
it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would love to move this to Geronimo. Simply because geronimo
is
>> kind
>>>> of
>>>>>>> an EE-commons for the ASF nowadays ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wdyt?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>>> strub
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> N Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>> A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin, Deutschland/Germany
>>>>> P +49 30 44793251
>>>>> M +49 178 7903538
>>>>> E o.b.fischer@swe-blog.net
>>>>> S oliver.b.fischer
>>>>> J oliver.b.fischer@jabber.org
>>>>> X http://xing.to/obf
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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