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From Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>
Subject Re: JCache dependency
Date Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:03:34 GMT
We will switch the Ignite JAR to the 1.0-alpha-1 version from Geronimo, but
I am still very confused.

I do not understand why we need to check any TCK compliance when creating a
JAR for the JSR107 spec. The TCK compliance should be checked against an
implementation, not a spec.

Is there any place in Apache documentation explaining this process?

D.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Le 28 mars 2016 10:15, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrakyan@apache.org> a
> écrit :
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I am still a bit confused. I was talking about the version of the JCache
> spec API, essentially only interfaces. The spec does not have any
> implementation, nor implies that every project importing or depending on
> the spec must be compliant with the spec.
> >
> > In my view implementation and TCK compliance are a different matter, and
> it should be up to the project community itself to declare the compliance
> with a certain spec and pass the TCK.
> >
> > Am I wrong?
> >
>
> Yes, while not passing sigtest practise is to not release 1.0.
>
> > D.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:01 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dmitriy,
> >>
> >> I think what Romain is referring to is other TCKs.  Generally, geronimo
> JAR versions don't reflect the version of spec that they implement.  There
> may be alpha releases that match EDRs, or alphas that are based on the
> final version but with minor tweaks.
> >>
> >> For reference, Apache ActiveMQ Artemis relies on alpha2 of the JMS 2
> spec. https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/blob/master/pom.xml#L131
> >> It's feature complete, and Artemis passes the TCK, its just alpha2
> because we haven't done a thorough enough job of making sure the API is
> sane.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 11:54 AM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Romain, I am not sure what you mean by not having access to TCK. Are
> you talking about validating compatibility with JCAche using the TCK [1]?
> In this case, Apache Ignite does pass the TCK. Moreover, the TCK seems to
> be licensed under Apache 2.0 [2]. Can you please explain?
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/jsr107/jsr107tck
> >>> [2] https://github.com/jsr107/jsr107tck/blob/master/LICENSE.txt
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Alpha cause asf doesnt have oracle tck so we cant validate binary
> compat
> >>>> but it targets jcache 1.0. More a legal thing than anything else. If
> you
> >>>> have access to tck and can validate the binaries we can move on 1.0
> >>>> Le 27 mars 2016 00:21, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
a
> écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi Romain,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The only issue I see is the version. JSR107 spec is on version
1.0.0
> [1],
> >>>> > while the Geronimo JCache jar is on version 1.0-alpha-1.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Any chance you can upgrade the version?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > [1] https://github.com/jsr107/jsr107spec/tree/v1.0.0
> >>>> >
> >>>> > D.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >>>> > > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Hi Dmitriy,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> why not reusing geronimo jar? Generally @apache spec are owned
by
> >>>> >> geronimo and reused as much as possible using geronimo as umbrella
> >>>> >> spec project. What's the issue you hit?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >>>> >> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Tomitriber
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> 2016-03-26 21:20 GMT+01:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >:
> >>>> >> > Sorry, this is the JCache maven dependency I was referring
to:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
>
> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.geronimo.specs/geronimo-jcache_1.0_spec
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>> >> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Hello Geronimo community!
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> I have noticed that Geronimo implements JCache spec
and is using
> its
> >>>> >> own
> >>>> >> >> JCache library hosted in Apache maven and licensed
under Apache
> 2.0
> >>>> >> license
> >>>> >> >> [1].
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> We, in Apache Ignite community also have implemented
JCache
> >>>> >> specification
> >>>> >> >> and would like to do something similar. Do you know
what steps
> do we
> >>>> >> need to
> >>>> >> >> take in order to have the latest JCache spec version
licensed
> under
> >>>> >> Apache
> >>>> >> >> 2.0?
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Thanks,
> >>>> >> >> Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>> >> >> Apache Ignite, PMC chair
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>

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