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From Ted Kirby <ted.ki...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Suggestions for improving new G and GEP user experiences
Date Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:58:49 GMT
Yes, there are various testsuite options, including os (windows, unix,
mac) and 32 v 64 bit. Perhaps ideally it would run on all of them.
There are platform differences on the mac.  A big one is
Eclipse->preferences on mac vs. window->preferences on windows.  This
affects the testsuite test cases. The testsuite was developed on
windows 32.  I would say initially running the testsuite on windows 32
is a good start, and probably sufficient, certainly until it works on
mac.  I am not familiar with SWTBOT.  I did some investigation with
some knowledgeable folks, and Abbot still seems a reasonable choice.
However, I think we are using an older level of Abbot.  I think we
should upgrade to the latest Abbot levels, which are early 2009, but
this is also a future item, I think.  If SWTBOT is better or folks
want to use it, that seems fine with me.  We do have an investment in
Abbot for the existing testsuite.  See
https://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDEV/geronimo-eclipse-plugin-gep-testsuite.html
for testuite info.

Ted Kirby

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Delos <daition@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for testsuite, it's not required before so I agree it's necessary for a
> new GEP release.  But it's difficult to assure the testsuite is runnable all
> the time, because Abbot always have some unknown issues when it's running on
> various OS. If possible, maybe we can consider to leverage other library
> such as SWTBOT.
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Ted Kirby <ted.kirby@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have recently returned to community activity after a period of
>> inactivity.  I have played with some of the introductory material, and
>> things have not gone that well. :-(  I think G and GEP 3.0 have very
>> exciting content: JEE 6 and OSGi, and we are on track to be "early to
>> market" with our certified server.  I think we want to attract new
>> users, and we want to be ready and attractive and easy to use when
>> they come.  To that end, I offer these suggestions and feedback:
>>
>> 1. Geronimo v3.0, or at least v3.0-M1, should be listed on the main
>> page Documentation link http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation.html.
>>  v3.0 is on the wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/
>>
>> 2. I think we should have a "Getting Started" or "Quick Start" link on
>> the home page for folks to download and start running Geronimo
>> quickly.  This page in the doc seems good:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC30/quick-start-apache-geronimo-for-the-impatient.html.
>>  (This page comes up first on the documentation, so maybe item 3 would
>> address this.)
>>
>> 3. I don't think a version should be released unless the "Quick Start"
>> actually works.  If this is the entry point for new users, it should
>> work for each release.  For 3.0-M1, there are two JIRAs on this:
>> GERONIMO-5488 and GERONIMO-5658.
>>
>> 4. Ditto for GEP.  http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html
>> is pretty good, but there is no mention of 3.0-M1.  3.0 is an exciting
>> release for JEE 6 and OSGi.  Folks want to play with the technology.
>> We should help them get started.
>>
>> 5. The "1-minute Hello World Web Application Tutorial"
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC22/how-to-use-geronimo-eclipse-plugin.html#HowtoUseGeronimoEclipsePlugin-DeployRunUndeployandRedeployanApplication
>> for GEP does not work for 3.0-M1.   There is a deploy problem, and a
>> missing message problem.  I think both the 1-minute and 5-minute
>> tutorial are part of the testsuite, and hence these errors should have
>> been caught if the testsuite were run.  I recommend adding these
>> tutorials to the testsuite if they are not there.  Again, before a GEP
>> version is released, someone should verify these tutorials work.
>>
>> 6. No GEP version should be released unless the testsuite passes.
>>
>> 7. News items on the main page http://geronimo.apache.org/ should have
>> dates.  Currently, 1 of 5 does.  When was 3.0-M1 released?  It takes
>> two clicks to find out.  I think dates on the download page
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/downloads.html (the first click) would be
>> nice.
>>
>> 8. There are no news items for the two recent GEP releases: 2.1.6 and
>> 3.0-M1.  I think all G and GEP releases should have news items,
>> including dates.
>>
>> I think these suggestions will improve our product.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ted Kirby
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Delos
>

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