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From chi runhua <chirun...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Discussion]Re-org admin console
Date Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:25:38 GMT
Thanks for the discussion.  I filed a JIRA to track usability improvement in
G3.0 for now.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-4950

Jeff C

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM, chi runhua <chirunhua@gmail.com> wrote:

> If there is no objection, I'd like to file a JIRA to record the usability
> improvements/enhancement for 3.0.
>
> About the technical approach, Pluto or Felix web console, IMHO it's about
> how to achieve these improvements, therefore we can discuss it in another
> thread.  :-)
>
>
>
> Jeff C
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Donald Woods <dwoods@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Agree that we need some usability improvements (I tried in the past but it
>> was rejected....) but not for 2.2 if it is going to delay work on the 3.0
>> server.
>>
>> Also, I wouldn't spend a lot of time rewriting existing portlets until we
>> decide what the base admin console will be, as I think you'll end up at
>> different implementation decisions/limitations if we use the Karaf admin
>> console vs. Pluto 2....
>>
>>
>> -Donald
>>
>>
>> Shawn Jiang wrote:
>>
>>> No matter what technology we might  choose to implement console.  #1,2,3
>>> metioned by Jeff are doable without large effort, and could bring a
>>> considerable improvement on the usability of current console. I even think
>>> we can get these done in G2.2.X but not only for G3.0.
>>>
>>> I suggest to open a JIRA to track the console usability issue while
>>> keeping the console tech choosing discussion onoging.
>>>
>>> Comments ?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Donald Woods <dwoods@apache.org<mailto:
>>> dwoods@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    I'd like to have the discussion of "Do we use the Felix Admin
>>>    Console vs. Pluto" first....
>>>
>>>    Personally, I think we need to focus on getting a Little-G minimal
>>>    equivalent working on trunk first (which doesn't include any Admin
>>>    Console) before we worry with all of the Console based plugins.
>>>
>>>
>>>    -Donald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    chi runhua wrote:
>>>
>>>        Hi all,
>>>        Long time ago there was a discussion[1] on whether we could
>>>        re-org admin console to improve user experiences for 2.2, which
>>>        was cancelled for some reason, since we are now in the begining
>>>        of big change of Geronimo architecture, I think it's a good
>>>        opportunity that we bring this up and also for the coming 3.0
>>>        release.
>>>
>>>         [1]
>>>
>>> http://old.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--Reorg-of-Admin-Console-for-2.2-td20628217s134.html
>>>
>>>        Here are couples of thoughts in my mind to improve the console:
>>>        1. re-constructure the navigation tree to make it collapsible,
>>>        the tree level should be less than 3;
>>>        2. re-orginize the avaliable tree items into new groups, for
>>>        this one I'd like to vote +1 for what Jack had proposed in the
>>>        previous thread;
>>>         + Servers
>>>         + Application Server
>>>          - Geronimo Kernel (put Information, Java System Info, Thread
>>>        Pool and Shutdown portlets in the same page here)
>>>          - Web Server
>>>          - JMS Server
>>>          - EJB Server
>>>          - DB server
>>>          - Repository
>>>          - New server assembly
>>>        + Applications
>>>         - Deploy New (Suggest to merge in the plan creator, so that
>>>        users can either choose to use an existing plan file, or create
>>>        a new one using the wizard)
>>>         - User applications (merge WAR, EAR and Client, maybe bundles
>>>        in the 3.0?)
>>>         - Server plugins
>>>        + Resources
>>>         - DB pools
>>>         - JMS resources
>>>         - JEE Connectors
>>>         - Jar Aliases
>>>        + Security
>>>         - Users and Groups
>>>         - Keystores
>>>         - Certificate Authority
>>>         - Security Realms
>>>        + Monitoring and Troubleshotting
>>>         - Monitoring
>>>         - Logs
>>>         - Debug Views
>>>         3. re-construct the available portlets to improve embedded
>>>        assistance information, for example, show breadcrum when user is
>>>        working on a task; reduce in-line text on the current UI, and
>>>        use hover-help or pop-up help page only when necessary etc...
>>>        4. for the long list on the current UI such as system modules,
>>>        only show the most frequently used ones, use locate/find to
>>>        display more....
>>>
>>>        Any comments?
>>>
>>>        Jeff C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shawn
>>>
>>
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