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From Ellen Tang <ltang.el...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Wiki link to current version page
Date Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:39:33 GMT
Hi Quintin,

Thank you for your advice. That's very useful for us. I'll look into SEO and
try to make our pages better.

Best regards,

Ellen

2009/10/14 Quintin Beukes <quintin@skywalk.co.za>

> Futher, if the old docs are taken out, it would leave a structure
> that's much more focused on a the newest version, and thus reduce the
> likeliness of GoogleBot seeing the pages as being too similar.
> GoogleBot is very sensitive with this and sometimes sees 2 completely
> irrelevant pages as being similar. I've found on 2 occasions that
> changing the wording on one page could cause another page to suddenly
> appear with the next index. This could be coincidence, as many reasons
> could cause a page to become indexed, but the similarity seems most
> probably since looking at the 2 pages you could understand how a bot
> could see them as similar.
>
> Further, updating the documentation with basic SEO in mind, and
> improving the link webs should help get more pages indexed - and
> possibly even listed higher.
>
> Quintin Beukes
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Quintin Beukes <quintin@skywalk.co.za>
> wrote:
> > The 2.2 docs are on google. In fact, all the versions are there. By
> > default it only lists 1/2 similar pages, and the rest can be viewed by
> > clicking on the "more results" link.
> >
> > From what I could see on the pages, the reason 1.1 docs are listed
> > first is an SEO issue, in that the 1.1 docs contain the word Geronimo
> > more, and has a ranked page linking to it. To host all the
> > documentation online would make a for a major SEO task added onto the
> > list. Maybe the best would be to add the old docs into an "archive"
> > (another domain would be best), link into the archive, and have only
> > the latest docs actually stored on the xwiki.apache.org domain. I
> > don't know if this is possible, but it should definitely clear up the
> > documentation issue.
> >
> > If you're unlucky the archive ends up ranking higher than the original
> > and you're back to where you started, though I think that would be
> > unlikely if there is a link trail to Geronimo from the xwiki root, and
> > back up wards (and the same for all apps). This should keep the rank
> > tree farely high, and an archive would be unlikely to overtake it.
> >
> > I'm no SEO expert, so this might not be the best advice, but it would
> > be what I would have done.
> >
> > Quintin Beukes
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Ellen Tang <ltang.ellen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi, I found that the "I'm feeling lucky" function only takes you to the
> >> first website listed in Google responding to your query. This is why you
> are
> >> directed to 1.1 docs instead of 2.1. But I do see the problem that 2.2
> docs
> >> are not listed in Google.
> >>
> >> I've seen the Confluence help pages with the links of the latest version
> as
> >> you suggested. It works very well on the Confluence websites. I think
> it's a
> >> very good function but yet takes a lot effort to implement because we
> have
> >> so many pages and versions of G docs right now. Plus, once we have a new
> >> release, all the links need to be updated. As discussed with Jeff, we
> can
> >> first try to make our latest docs display in Google.
> >>
> >> Please let us know if you have any suggestions for that. Thank you!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Ellen
> >>
> >> 2009/10/1 Juergen Weber <weberjn@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the links doesn't seem to be the general solution,
> >>> e.g. with
> >>> geronimo ra.xml and "I'm feeling lucky" you get the 1.1 docs, even if
> >>> google
> >>> knows the 2.1 docs.
> >>> There should be a friendly big red box on old pages "There exists a
> more
> >>> recent version of this page" with a link to it.
> >>>
> >>> Greetings, Juergen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ellen Tang-2 wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I've tried to find the page of the same topic (Daytrader) in
> >>> > documentation
> >>> > v2.1 by changing the link directly from
> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html to
> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/daytrader.html . The page does
> open
> >>> > and
> >>> > has correct contents, but when I tried to find the link of the same
> >>> > topic
> >>> > in
> >>> > the table of contents of v2.1 documentation (
> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/documentation.html ), I couldn't
> find
> >>> > the
> >>> > link for the "Daytrader" page, which does exist.
> >>> >
> >>> > I guess that this is why the google search can't find the page of
> >>> > "Daytrader" in Geronimo v2.1 documentation.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jeff, maybe you can have a check for this to see if you get the same
> >>> > result
> >>> > as me.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks!
> >>> >
> >>> > Ellen
> >>> >
> >>> > 2009/9/30 chi runhua <chirunhua@gmail.com>
> >>> >
> >>> >> I think it's the problem of the template in auto-export plugin,
 but
> >>> >> only
> >>> >> confluence admin could do some configuration to update the template.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Jeff C
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ellen Tang
> >>> >> <ltang.ellen@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Hi Juergen,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I guess that could be a good thing to do. We'll discuss about
that
> to
> >>> >>> see
> >>> >>> if it's possible and necessary to do that.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Thank you for your idea!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Best regards,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ellen
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 2009/9/28 Juergen Weber <weberjn@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> Hi,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> googling often leads to an old version of a Geronimo wiki
page.
> >>> >>>> e.g. google daytrader apache goes to
> >>> >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Can you somehow make the wiki automatically display links
to the
> most
> >>> >>>> recent
> >>> >>>> version?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>> Juergen
> >>> >>>> --
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> >>> >>>>
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at
> >>> >>>> Nabble.com.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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