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From Quintin Beukes <quin...@skywalk.co.za>
Subject Re: Wiki link to current version page
Date Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:25:37 GMT
Futher, if the old docs are taken out, it would leave a structure
that's much more focused on a the newest version, and thus reduce the
likeliness of GoogleBot seeing the pages as being too similar.
GoogleBot is very sensitive with this and sometimes sees 2 completely
irrelevant pages as being similar. I've found on 2 occasions that
changing the wording on one page could cause another page to suddenly
appear with the next index. This could be coincidence, as many reasons
could cause a page to become indexed, but the similarity seems most
probably since looking at the 2 pages you could understand how a bot
could see them as similar.

Further, updating the documentation with basic SEO in mind, and
improving the link webs should help get more pages indexed - and
possibly even listed higher.

Quintin Beukes



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Quintin Beukes <quintin@skywalk.co.za> wrote:
> The 2.2 docs are on google. In fact, all the versions are there. By
> default it only lists 1/2 similar pages, and the rest can be viewed by
> clicking on the "more results" link.
>
> From what I could see on the pages, the reason 1.1 docs are listed
> first is an SEO issue, in that the 1.1 docs contain the word Geronimo
> more, and has a ranked page linking to it. To host all the
> documentation online would make a for a major SEO task added onto the
> list. Maybe the best would be to add the old docs into an "archive"
> (another domain would be best), link into the archive, and have only
> the latest docs actually stored on the xwiki.apache.org domain. I
> don't know if this is possible, but it should definitely clear up the
> documentation issue.
>
> If you're unlucky the archive ends up ranking higher than the original
> and you're back to where you started, though I think that would be
> unlikely if there is a link trail to Geronimo from the xwiki root, and
> back up wards (and the same for all apps). This should keep the rank
> tree farely high, and an archive would be unlikely to overtake it.
>
> I'm no SEO expert, so this might not be the best advice, but it would
> be what I would have done.
>
> Quintin Beukes
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Ellen Tang <ltang.ellen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I found that the "I'm feeling lucky" function only takes you to the
>> first website listed in Google responding to your query. This is why you are
>> directed to 1.1 docs instead of 2.1. But I do see the problem that 2.2 docs
>> are not listed in Google.
>>
>> I've seen the Confluence help pages with the links of the latest version as
>> you suggested. It works very well on the Confluence websites. I think it's a
>> very good function but yet takes a lot effort to implement because we have
>> so many pages and versions of G docs right now. Plus, once we have a new
>> release, all the links need to be updated. As discussed with Jeff, we can
>> first try to make our latest docs display in Google.
>>
>> Please let us know if you have any suggestions for that. Thank you!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ellen
>>
>> 2009/10/1 Juergen Weber <weberjn@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Fixing the links doesn't seem to be the general solution,
>>> e.g. with
>>> geronimo ra.xml and "I'm feeling lucky" you get the 1.1 docs, even if
>>> google
>>> knows the 2.1 docs.
>>> There should be a friendly big red box on old pages "There exists a more
>>> recent version of this page" with a link to it.
>>>
>>> Greetings, Juergen
>>>
>>>
>>> Ellen Tang-2 wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I've tried to find the page of the same topic (Daytrader) in
>>> > documentation
>>> > v2.1 by changing the link directly from
>>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html to
>>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/daytrader.html . The page does open
>>> > and
>>> > has correct contents, but when I tried to find the link of the same
>>> > topic
>>> > in
>>> > the table of contents of v2.1 documentation (
>>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/documentation.html ), I couldn't find
>>> > the
>>> > link for the "Daytrader" page, which does exist.
>>> >
>>> > I guess that this is why the google search can't find the page of
>>> > "Daytrader" in Geronimo v2.1 documentation.
>>> >
>>> > Jeff, maybe you can have a check for this to see if you get the same
>>> > result
>>> > as me.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Ellen
>>> >
>>> > 2009/9/30 chi runhua <chirunhua@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >> I think it's the problem of the template in auto-export plugin,  but
>>> >> only
>>> >> confluence admin could do some configuration to update the template.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jeff C
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ellen Tang
>>> >> <ltang.ellen@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi Juergen,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I guess that could be a good thing to do. We'll discuss about that
to
>>> >>> see
>>> >>> if it's possible and necessary to do that.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you for your idea!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best regards,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ellen
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2009/9/28 Juergen Weber <weberjn@gmail.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> googling often leads to an old version of a Geronimo wiki page.
>>> >>>> e.g. google daytrader apache goes to
>>> >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Can you somehow make the wiki automatically display links to
the most
>>> >>>> recent
>>> >>>> version?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>> Juergen
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>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
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