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From David Jencks <>
Subject Re: Why ?
Date Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:54:37 GMT

On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote:

> David Jencks wrote:
>> On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
>>> I just re exported that GMOxSAMPLES space and now it should  
>>> reflect the latest updates from the other spaces
>>> The idea of this space was to have consolidated in one place  
>>> references (either links or the actual samples) for all the  
>>> samples available for Geronimo. This idea is prior to moving all  
>>> samples to svn or even using the templates for a consistent look  
>>> and feel. Creating this space was simply the first step towards  
>>> standardizing the samples.
>>> The way Confluence and the autoexport plugin works force us to run  
>>> manual exports of certain spaces. So far, we don't have a way to  
>>> get this automated.
>>> I would definitively not remove this space as it hold several  
>>> sample applications. As to adding a page telling where to look,  
>>> that should be addressed now with the manual export I just ran.
>>> Pls let me know if you still see content out of date.
>> The list of samples for 2.1 does not resemble
>> very closely as far as I can tell.
> because it is not supposed to do so, it's supposed to list all  
> (mostly children pages) sample applications available for Geronimo  
> organized by release.

Looks like my browser was caching an old version, reloading the page  
looks more like what I expect.  I still think two links directly into  
the 2.1 docs will be more maintainable than a page in the samples  
space that will require re-export anytime we add/remove a sample or  

david jencks

>> Instead of the link to the apparently-impossible-to-update

>>  could the top level page 
>>  just have links into the 2.1 documentation for samples and  
>> tutorials?
> the purpose of this space was to consolidate all samples for all  
> releases. If it would be just for 2.1 then there would make no sense  
> to keep this space.
>>> Maybe we should consider different alternatives to the AE plugin  
>>> to generate a personalized HTML version. Long time ago we  
>>> discussed about expanding Hockey Pokey functionality with Jason  
>>> Dillon, can't really remember were we left the conversation.
>> I think we have more documentation and general doc infrastructure  
>> than we can take care of, and I'd like to see us concentrate more  
>> on correctness than size and flashy features.  Having fewer  
>> confluence spaces with content seems to me like one place to start.
> I agree with with for the most part.

>  shows 15 spaces and their descriptions. 8 of them are exclusively  
> dedicated to server documentation by release (geronimo,  
> GMOxDOC10..21, plus translations)
> 1 for authoring the web site (GMOxSITE)
> 1 for TCK matters (GMOxTCK)
> 1 for keep track of what we do (GMOxPMGT)
> 1 for Geronimo development and building (GMOxDEV). Could use some  
> housekeeping
> 1 for FAQ (GMOxKB). Not many updates lately.
> 1 documentation sandbox (GMOxSBOX)
> 1 for holding/consolidating all samples (GMOxSAMPLES)
> I'm not sure which one I would nuke if I have to. The fact is that  
> this list will continue to grow as we deliver new releases. I don't  
> really see unnecessary spaces.
> I totally agree with you in focusing on the content (relevance and  
> accuracy). For 2.1 doc I saw a lot more folks chiming in, so a big  
> thanks to everybody who looked into it. If we make this a habit,  
> keeping the doc complete and up to date will be a lot easier.
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>> Cheers!
>>> Hernan
>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>> I'm mystified why there is a separate confluence space for  
>>>> geronimo samples.  IIUC the actual sample doc is with the  
>>>> separate servers.  Could we eliminate this space or just put a  
>>>> page there saying where to look?  The link from

>>>>  to the 2.1 samples has inaccurate content that doesn't duplicate  
>>>> the more-correct page in the 2.1 docs.
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks

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