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From Joe Bohn <>
Subject Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal
Date Tue, 20 May 2008 01:56:33 GMT
Kevan Miller wrote:
> By the way, I volunteer to help admin these beasts.
> On May 19, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
>> Kevan Miller wrote:
>>> Has anybody talked to Infra about virtualization environments, 
>>> restrictions, guidance?
>> I exchanged some emails with Justin Erenkrantz and asked about the VM 
>> issue.  He mentioned that they had VMWare Workstation on one machine. 
>> In general, I have the impression that they aren't as concerned about 
>> the VM images/environment if we are controlling the machines.  
>> However, I suspect we'll get a better feel for that once we submit a 
>> request and see their response.
> K.
>>> Only 4 VM images? With an 8 core, I thought we'd try to allocate a VM 
>>> per core...
>> I thought about one per core but ended up with 2 just in case we need 
>> it for other related activities.  This was also in line with what Matt 
>> was recommending.  If we increase the # of VMs we would also need to 
>> up the memory and possibly diskspace and that really started to look 
>> excessive to me.  I was just trying to give a high level description 
>> of our plans for the machines.  I don't think this limits us to just 4 
>> VMs.  Perhaps instead of requesting additional machines later on we 
>> could add any additional resources to get more VMs active on the first 
>> 2 machines.
> OK. So, this number isn't laid in stone. We'll be tweaking to maximize 
> our throughput and usage.

>>> --kevan
>>> On May 19, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>> It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here is 
>>>> the latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's 
>>>> questions.  I plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or so 
>>>> ... so please speak up if you think of anything additional.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Joe
>>>> Rationale:
>>>> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution 
>>>> and sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
>>>> necessary
> to
>>>> gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is only 
>>>> available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
>>>> and other Apache committers that have signed the NDA and gained 
>>>> approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a 
>>>> resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.
> Not sure what is meant by the last sentence.

The meaning is that running, managing, and sharing the test harness, 
systems, and test results is beneficial to several Apache projects. 
Certainly Geronimo is still the primary beneficiary but since we have 
opened our test harness and results to other apache projects Geronimo is 
not the sole beneficiary.  I thought that highlighting this 
collaborative effort would improve our chances of getting the machines.

>>>> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
>>>> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
>>>> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
>>>> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
> A centralized testing environment allows the Geronimo community to more 
> fully participate in the TCK process. Some committers don't have access 
> to the hardware resources needed to run the Java EE TCK tests in a 
> timely manner. Although some ad-hoc sharing of private machines has 
> occurred, this is not ideal from a community perspective. Community 
> controlled systems allow us to equitably share these resources.

Good words ... I'll add this.

> --kevan
>>>> Request:
>>>> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting 
>>>> the ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be 
>>>> used for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) 
>>>> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification 
>>>> below.  However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in 
>>>> the not too distant future.
>>>> Machine specs:
>>>> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
>>>> - 16 GB memory
>>>> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
>>>> - DVD R/W (20x?)
>>>> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
>>>> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
>>>> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>>>> - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>>>>    - configuration
>>>>    - backup/recovery
>>>>    - secure access
>>>>       - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
>>>> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved 
>>>> by Geronimo PMC.
>>>> - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot 
>>>> directions
>>>> - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
>>>> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
>>>> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
>>>> - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>>>> - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or 
>>>> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
>>>> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, 
>>>> and produce reports.
>>>> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.

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