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From David Blevins <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki
Date Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:04:44 GMT
Personal preference I guess.  Only 60~ people in that group and  
everyone in it has full name, address, telephone, etc. on file.  Seems  
very restricted already.  We have to review all the edits anyway, even  
if they come from other committers, so I don't really see an upside  
unless we start to get a lot of low quality contributions -- which  
IMHO would be a good problem to have.

I definitely think our website should remain restricted to  
committers.  I sort of see that as separate from the rest of our spaces.


On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote:

> If we are going to restrict access to our wiki doc then we should  
> limit grating access to the project members. I'm not in favor of a  
> massive asf-cla group
> cheers!
> hernan
> David Blevins wrote:
>> It's already ASF policy that an ICLA be on file for anyone to get  
>> write access to a confluence space used for official documentation  
>> or a website (plain "wiki" usage is exempt).  Updated a good 40~  
>> cwiki spaces to use the asf-cla group instead of confluence-users,  
>> including ours, a couple weeks ago after some abuse so we're  
>> compliant with the minimum policy.
>> Some groups, like the Incubator, are talking that you need to be a  
>> committer to get write access -- not just have a CLA on file.  I'm  
>> not sure I see the need for raising the bar that high.  I like the  
>> idea of the check box as an alternate to having a CLA on file,  
>> assuming this is kosher with infra.
>> -David
>> On Apr 16, 2008, at 7:00 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>>> All,
>>> To properly protect the IP rights of our Wiki-based documentation,  
>>> we need to stop allowing unrestricted write access to our Wiki.  
>>> Wiki contributors should be required to have an ICLA on file with  
>>> the ASF. I also think that we need to hold a PMC vote before  
>>> granting this access.
>>> I'll also take this opportunity to remind the community that Wiki  
>>> updates are sent to These updates need to  
>>> be reviewed by the community, just like all code updates.
>>> IMO, we don't want this to be a heavy-weight process. We don't  
>>> want there to be a significant hurdle to contributing  
>>> documentation. For code updates, patch files attached to Jira's  
>>> with the "Grant license to ASF" button checked takes care of these  
>>> IP concerns. To my knowledge, there's no patch file equivalent for  
>>> updates to a Wiki. We could require that documentation updates be  
>>> contributed in the form of simple ascii text files that are  
>>> attached to a Jira. This would address our IP concerns, but is not  
>>> ideal IMO.
>>> To keep this as light-weight as possible, I propose we formalize  
>>> the concept of "contributor". A contributor would have write  
>>> access to our Wiki documentation as well as the ability to assign  
>>> Jira's to him/herself.
>>> I think the process would go something like this...
>>> 0. Reset write access to our wiki to be only the current set of  
>>> committers on the project.
>>> 1. New documentation contributions from non-committers/ 
>>> contributors must be submitted via a Jira, with the "Grant License  
>>> to the ASF" box checked. This is just like any code/bug-fix  
>>> submission.
>>> 2. Once a new participant has expressed interest in contributing  
>>> to the project and/or has contributed documentation or bug fixes,  
>>> a PMC vote will be called to grant the new participant  
>>> "contributor" rights. As all PMC votes, this vote is a majority  
>>> vote, require a minimum of 3 +1 votes, and will last for a minimum  
>>> of 72 hours.
>>> 3. Once a vote has passed, the participant will be invited to join  
>>> the project as a 'contributor'.  Assuming he/she accepts, the  
>>> participant must then submit an ICLA to the ASF.
>>> Once the ICLA is on file, the new 'contributor' will give given  
>>> write access to our wiki and the ability to assign Jira's.
>>> 4. The new contributor will be announced to the community.
>>> I've grouped Jira rights with wiki rights in the above. This is  
>>> not strictly necessary, but grouping the two seems like a  
>>> reasonable step.
>>> This is my first pass at a proposal. We can tweak this process in  
>>> a number of ways and there are alternatives. I think the hard  
>>> requirements are 1) the PMC must vote and 2) an ICLA must be filed  
>>> with the ASF.
>>> Until we resolve this issue, we need to restrict Wiki write access  
>>> to be the current set of Geronimo committers.
>>> --kevan

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