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Subject: Re: Geronimo in year 2008
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:22:27 -0500
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On Feb 13, 2008, at 12:50 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:

>
> On Feb 13, 2008 1:56 AM, Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
> Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet:
>
> EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other
> projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be
> rolling them into Geronimo. There are also new specifications which we
> may need to implement ourselves. I know that Jarek has looked at the
> Concurrency Utilities specification (which may be part of EE 6).
> Hoping he can tell us about that...
>
> Performance -- One area that I think we need to improve is startup
> time. I think our startup has slowed down, and I'd like to see us
> speed it up dramatically. We can measure current startup performance
> and optimize our hot spots. Depending on what we find, we can also
> investigate algorithmic enhancements.
>
> And what about size of our assemblies? With G1.1.1 I had always  
> taken pride talking about Geronimo being lightweight - a J2EE server  
> under just 35MB!!
>
> I remember there were some discussions & effort before 2.0 release.  
> Have we reached a point where we can't reduce the size any further?

Good point. I definitely think it's good to keep an eye on this. I'm  
more concerned about keeping minimal assembly (or custom assembly ;-)  
size to a minimum, than I am about Java EE size.

Taking a quick scan of a 2.1 Tomcat EE5 server -- unpacked we're 104  
megs. 50 megs of that are in repository/org/apache/geronimo. 26 megs  
are in our configs. And 20 megs are in the following two configs:

   org/apache/geronimo/configs/dojo-legacy-tomcat (5)
   org/apache/geronimo/configs/dojo-tomcat (15)

--kevan


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2008, =
at 12:50 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 13, 2008 1:56 AM, Kevan Miller &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kevan.miller@gmail.com">kevan.miller@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;"> Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet:<br><br>EE 6 -- we =
should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other<br>projects begin =
implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be<br>rolling them =
into Geronimo. There are also new specifications which we<br> may need =
to implement ourselves. I know that Jarek has looked at =
the<br>Concurrency Utilities specification (which may be part of EE =
6).<br>Hoping he can tell us about that...<br><br>Performance -- One =
area that I think we need to improve is startup<br> time. I think our =
startup has slowed down, and I'd like to see us<br>speed it up =
dramatically. We can measure current startup performance<br>and optimize =
our hot spots. Depending on what we find, we can also<br>investigate =
algorithmic enhancements.<br> </blockquote><div><br>And what about size =
of our assemblies? With G1.1.1 I had always taken pride talking about =
Geronimo being lightweight - a J2EE server under just 35MB!!<br><br>I =
remember there were some discussions &amp; effort before 2.0 release. =
Have we reached a point where we can't reduce the size any =
further?<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Good point. I =
definitely think it's good to keep an eye on this. I'm more concerned =
about keeping minimal assembly (or custom assembly ;-) size to a =
minimum, than I am about Java EE size.</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Taking a quick scan of a =
2.1 Tomcat EE5 server -- unpacked we're 104 megs. 50 megs of that are in =
repository/org/apache/geronimo. 26 megs are in our configs. And 20 megs =
are in the following two configs:</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;org/apache/geron=
imo/configs/dojo-legacy-tomcat =
(5)</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;org/apache/geronimo/configs/dojo-tomcat =
(15)</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>--kevan</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></body></html>=

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