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From "Jason Warner" <jaw...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Geronimo in year 2008
Date Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:29:39 GMT
I like the idea of a tree.  The headings for each category are descriptive
enough that I
don't think we'd lose usability by hiding what's under each category until
needed.


On Feb 12, 2008 11:35 AM, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
>
> > Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
> >> On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:david_jencks@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>     On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com
> >>>     <mailto:david_jencks@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         3a is implemented in 2.1
> >>>
> >>>     Is there an admin console page for this already implemented?
> >>     yes, the bottom of the plugin page.  Also there's a gshell
> >> command
> >>     for it
> >> "Assemble a server" option looks too hidden under other features :
> >> ( . A portlet on it's own would have better grabbed the attention
> >> of users towards it. We must at least highlight it now in our
> >> documentation.
> >
> > I think both. This feature is important enough to be on its own,
> > probably under 'Server' and we definitively need to document in
> > deep how it works. That includes explaining the plugin architecture
> > as well.
>
> I'll see if I can get the plugin architecture documentation kicked
> off this week.
>
> I think we should either change the left-hand menu item to something
> more inclusive that "plugins" (my current preference) or create a new
> group in the left hand menu with "add plugins" "edit plugin" and
> "extract server" (I think this will make the LHM too long).
>
> The LHM is getting pretty long.  I wonder if we can do something to
> shorten it -- perhaps a tree?
>
> thanks
> david jencks
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Hernan
> >
> >>  --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Shiva
> >>     david jencks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I
> >>>         think a very strong argument can be made for moving the
> >>>         deployer code to jaxb.
> >>>
> >>>     Interesting!! Let me do some quick learning of jaxb and start a
> >>>     separate thread on this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         thanks
> >>>         david jencks
> >>>
> >>>         On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>         I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in reference
> >>>>         to this:
> >>>>             i) "[DISCUSS/FEEDBACK] Usability improvements to
> >>>>         Geronimo" mail from Prasad in Nov'07
> >>>>         http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/
> >>>> msg53236.html
> >>>>             ii) "[Discuss] What next?" mail from DJencks in Aug'07
> >>>>         http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/
> >>>> msg50660.html
> >>>>             iii) "[DISCUSS] Geronimo 2.1 - what's next?" mail from
> >>>>         Matt in Jul'07
> >>>>         http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/
> >>>> msg48173.html
> >>>>
> >>>>         Alright, here is my wish list - features that I would
> >>>> love to
> >>>>         see getting into Geronimo in 2008:
> >>>>         1) Deployment Environment:
> >>>>             a) Plan Creator wizards (in Admin Console & in Geronimo
> >>>>         Eclipse Plugin) for geronimo-application.xml and *many*
> >>>> other
> >>>>         Geronimo deployment plans.
> >>>>             b) Geronimo specific annotations: To further
> >>>> simplify the
> >>>>         specification of Geronimo deployment information, right at
> >>>>         development time.
> >>>>
> >>>>         2) Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP):
> >>>>             a) Model framework for Geronimo deployment plans:
> >>>>         Currently it is EMF (Eclipse Modeling Framework). With
> >>>> every
> >>>>         update to Geronimo deployment schema, it's a major pain to
> >>>>         generate new EMF classes. If however, GEP uses the same
> >>>> model
> >>>>         framework as that of Geronimo server (XMLBeans), then at
> >>>>         least this problem would be solved. IIUC JSR-88
> >>>> DConfigBeans
> >>>>         would be the ideal model framework for GEP - in that case
> >>>>         even if the model framework of server changes in future,
> >>>> GEP
> >>>>         would be unaffected.
> >>>>             b) Critical bug fixes
> >>>>             c) Make "Download and Install" option more intuitive
> >>>>             d) Customize Web Services Wizard:
> >>>>         The default implementation of WTP's web services wizard
> >>>>         embeds an Axis engine inside a web-app and then deploys
> >>>> it in
> >>>>         a web server such as Tomcat. However this isn't the right
> >>>>         approach for Geronimo as it already has a global web
> >>>> services
> >>>>         engine deployed. Hence web services wizard's behavior
> >>>> must be
> >>>>         customized when deploying onto Geronimo.
> >>>>             e) Better Remote server support
> >>>>             f) Testsuite Automation
> >>>>             g) Integrating JavaEE Samples.
> >>>>
> >>>>         3) Admin Console Tools:
> >>>>             a) Server Build Tool: For instance, a "button" to push
> >>>>         that spits out a server with just what is needed for a
> >>>> set of
> >>>>         apps and nothing else.
> >>>>         http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/
> >>>> msg54849.html
> >>>>             b) Cluster Admin Tools: Geronimo has a lot of partial
> >>>>         clustering solutions. For instance there's WADI, native
> >>>>         tomcat clustering, a terracotta integration, and many
> >>>> others.
> >>>>         A cluster admin tool would be of great help in the
> >>>> setting-up
> >>>>         and fine-tuning of those clustering solutions.
> >>>>
> >>>>         I am stuck in 1) a) Plan Creator work for the past year
> >>>> or so
> >>>>         and it is still not complete! So if I alone work on many of
> >>>>         those features, God alone knows when I will complete them.
> >>>>         Any takers/collaborators?
> >>>>
> >>>>         On Feb 7, 2008 8:28 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy
> >>>>         <c1vamsi1c@gmail.com <mailto:c1vamsi1c@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>             Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>             Geronimo had a great year 2007.  I don't need to re-
> >>>> list
> >>>>             all our achievements listed in Matt's mail from 31st
> >>>> Dec
> >>>>             2007
> >>>>             (http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/
> >>>> msg54994.html).             Now that 2.1 is also rolling out, I
> >>>> think it is time we
> >>>>             start discussing what we want to do in Geronimo in year
> >>>>             2008.  Let us also discuss what we "must" do to make
> >>>>             Geronimo an application server of choice.  I would like
> >>>>             all of us to use this mail thread to put forth our
> >>>>             thoughts (and any action items some of us may have
> >>>>             already come up with silently) so that the community
> >>>> can
> >>>>             see what great heights Geronimo will scale in 2008.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>>             ++Vamsi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         --         Thanks,
> >>>>         Shiva
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     --     Thanks,
> >>>     Shiva
>
>

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