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From Hernan Cunico <hcun...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Geronimo in year 2008
Date Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:52:15 GMT
David Jencks wrote:
> 
> On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
> 
>> Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com 
>>> <mailto:david_jencks@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>     On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com
>>>>     <mailto:david_jencks@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         3a is implemented in 2.1
>>>>
>>>>     Is there an admin console page for this already implemented?
>>>     yes, the bottom of the plugin page.  Also there's a gshell command
>>>     for it
>>> "Assemble a server" option looks too hidden under other features :( . 
>>> A portlet on it's own would have better grabbed the attention of 
>>> users towards it. We must at least highlight it now in our 
>>> documentation.
>>
>> I think both. This feature is important enough to be on its own, 
>> probably under 'Server' and we definitively need to document in deep 
>> how it works. That includes explaining the plugin architecture as well.
> 
> I'll see if I can get the plugin architecture documentation kicked off 
> this week.
> 
> I think we should either change the left-hand menu item to something 
> more inclusive that "plugins" (my current preference) or create a new 
> group in the left hand menu with "add plugins" "edit plugin" and 
> "extract server" (I think this will make the LHM too long).
> 
> The LHM is getting pretty long.  I wonder if we can do something to 
> shorten it -- perhaps a tree?

collapsible trees would be nice. That way the list will come down to just 6-7 entries so we
would be able to bring up new "sections" to the top level.

Cheers!
Hernan

> 
> thanks
> david jencks
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>>>  --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shiva
>>>     david jencks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I
>>>>         think a very strong argument can be made for moving the
>>>>         deployer code to jaxb.
>>>>
>>>>     Interesting!! Let me do some quick learning of jaxb and start a
>>>>     separate thread on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         thanks
>>>>         david jencks
>>>>
>>>>         On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>         I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in reference
>>>>>         to this:
>>>>>             i) "[DISCUSS/FEEDBACK] Usability improvements to
>>>>>         Geronimo" mail from Prasad in Nov'07
>>>>>         
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg53236.html
>>>>>             ii) "[Discuss] What next?" mail from DJencks in Aug'07
>>>>>         
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg50660.html
>>>>>             iii) "[DISCUSS] Geronimo 2.1 - what's next?" mail from
>>>>>         Matt in Jul'07
>>>>>         
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg48173.html
>>>>>
>>>>>         Alright, here is my wish list - features that I would love to
>>>>>         see getting into Geronimo in 2008:
>>>>>         1) Deployment Environment:
>>>>>             a) Plan Creator wizards (in Admin Console & in Geronimo
>>>>>         Eclipse Plugin) for geronimo-application.xml and *many* other
>>>>>         Geronimo deployment plans.
>>>>>             b) Geronimo specific annotations: To further simplify the
>>>>>         specification of Geronimo deployment information, right at
>>>>>         development time.
>>>>>
>>>>>         2) Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP):
>>>>>             a) Model framework for Geronimo deployment plans:
>>>>>         Currently it is EMF (Eclipse Modeling Framework). With every
>>>>>         update to Geronimo deployment schema, it's a major pain to
>>>>>         generate new EMF classes. If however, GEP uses the same model
>>>>>         framework as that of Geronimo server (XMLBeans), then at
>>>>>         least this problem would be solved. IIUC JSR-88 DConfigBeans
>>>>>         would be the ideal model framework for GEP - in that case
>>>>>         even if the model framework of server changes in future, GEP
>>>>>         would be unaffected.
>>>>>             b) Critical bug fixes
>>>>>             c) Make "Download and Install" option more intuitive
>>>>>             d) Customize Web Services Wizard:
>>>>>         The default implementation of WTP's web services wizard
>>>>>         embeds an Axis engine inside a web-app and then deploys it in
>>>>>         a web server such as Tomcat. However this isn't the right
>>>>>         approach for Geronimo as it already has a global web services
>>>>>         engine deployed. Hence web services wizard's behavior must be
>>>>>         customized when deploying onto Geronimo.
>>>>>             e) Better Remote server support
>>>>>             f) Testsuite Automation
>>>>>             g) Integrating JavaEE Samples.
>>>>>
>>>>>         3) Admin Console Tools:
>>>>>             a) Server Build Tool: For instance, a "button" to push
>>>>>         that spits out a server with just what is needed for a set of
>>>>>         apps and nothing else.
>>>>>         
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg54849.html
>>>>>             b) Cluster Admin Tools: Geronimo has a lot of partial
>>>>>         clustering solutions. For instance there's WADI, native
>>>>>         tomcat clustering, a terracotta integration, and many others.
>>>>>         A cluster admin tool would be of great help in the setting-up
>>>>>         and fine-tuning of those clustering solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>>         I am stuck in 1) a) Plan Creator work for the past year or so
>>>>>         and it is still not complete! So if I alone work on many of
>>>>>         those features, God alone knows when I will complete them.
>>>>>         Any takers/collaborators?
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Feb 7, 2008 8:28 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy
>>>>>         <c1vamsi1c@gmail.com <mailto:c1vamsi1c@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Geronimo had a great year 2007.  I don't need to re-list
>>>>>             all our achievements listed in Matt's mail from 31st Dec
>>>>>             2007
>>>>>             
>>>>> (http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg54994.html).
            
>>>>> Now that 2.1 is also rolling out, I think it is time we
>>>>>             start discussing what we want to do in Geronimo in year
>>>>>             2008.  Let us also discuss what we "must" do to make
>>>>>             Geronimo an application server of choice.  I would like
>>>>>             all of us to use this mail thread to put forth our
>>>>>             thoughts (and any action items some of us may have
>>>>>             already come up with silently) so that the community can
>>>>>             see what great heights Geronimo will scale in 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>             ++Vamsi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         --         Thanks,
>>>>>         Shiva
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     Thanks,
>>>>     Shiva
> 
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