Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 83361 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 08:41:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 35189 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jan 2008 08:41:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 34909 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jan 2008 08:41:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 34898 invoked by uid 99); 31 Jan 2008 08:41:47 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:41:47 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of josephcleong@gmail.com designates 66.249.82.237 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.82.237] (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.237) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:41:20 +0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so615132wxd.25 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:41:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2tB55uIcgaEO5UmZLNBMjVMsL0Hqe+Wzmu+M9BKuXvw=; b=dfae9entkTvHEAw+k80R2/foBPWr0R2KSGPgtcJ19D4cFT8IiE7B43N4MPF9rMbUBY59i4wsaSjaQTCJJXjq0jLljEImP+0yb0mGqLvlRppt25bvpr3HS0D+ntFt4OJ8bpgOBC2QS0w7EpPWa4IhLZB9F2107JJDgOdfqByY/GY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EmhufS6S5Xt+JduOCJh+3PfjwhcwJ7Sxnc19FDIsH4+AGoSH97aHvFVdjPw8mV8pjMPsLBfS2KcXOLMfTv1srXdFCZ3hGElPhmCfdqzQcugWo3uizLJ90vpheQG69IkIlt41htoxZkdx9mLQvR7Sw0OeXoC6Z8/fS4dzY+bV+F4= Received: by 10.151.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr570762ybi.150.1201768886554; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.227.21 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:41:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:41:26 -0500 From: "Joseph Leong" To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: New plugin idea for debug viewer component In-Reply-To: <09BAC4CF-91AF-4CC9-BED0-895F91912BC6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9679_11089578.1201768886548" References: <09BAC4CF-91AF-4CC9-BED0-895F91912BC6@gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_9679_11089578.1201768886548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Kevan, Thanks for your input. I'll take some time and see what i can do to re-engineer a better representation. Hopefully this implementation will help eliminate/reduce the frustration you and others are experiencing with the current view. Any other ideas or comments are certainly welcome! Thanks, Joseph Leong On Jan 31, 2008 12:28 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: > Joe,I think this would be pretty cool. I've often been frustrated trying > to get information out of the classloader/dependency viewer. > > I certainly wouldn't rule out including this in our normal assembly. Will > need to see what your solution looks like. You might want to consider a > graphical view and a text-based view of the information. The current > text-based view has most/all of the information. However, it's not very > usable. Possible that with a bit of re-engineering, the views could be a lot > more useful. > > --kevan > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Joseph Leong wrote: > > Hi Erik, > > Originally I'm just going off the idea of it being a neat plugin that the > community or anyone can use. Just a sort of tool. I guess there is no > telling how novel others will find this piece, but it's a starting point and > hopefully a useful contribution at that. But to answer you original > question, it's creation isn't expected to be in assembly or > replacing/upgrading the current pieces.... merely an alternative. > > Yes, right now the dojo 1.x.x is looking to be the strongest contender and > i want to keep consistency with what else we have in AG now. I'll provide > updates later on what specifically for open opinion. > > Thanks for your thoughts, > -Joe > > On Jan 30, 2008 4:35 PM, Erik B. Craig wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > If this is something that is intended for eventual inclusion in a full > > assembly/replacing or upgrading the classloader and dependency > > viewers, then you should probably be looking into using dojo 1.0.2, > > especially giving that the current stuff is already written to use > > dojo 0.4.3, and shouldn't be that completely terrible of a task to > > migrate them / improve them. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Erik B. Craig > > ecraig@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Joseph Leong wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > So i was thinking about creating a neat new little plugin piece that > > > would help represent the data in the ClassLoader Viewer and > > > Dependency Viewer better visually. The purpose of this is to > > > represent the current data/hierarchy in a more complete and > > > graphical format..ultimately hoping that this node and arc format > > > will be found useful to those who prefer a diagram representation. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas of what they'd like to see be put in this > > > plugin that would help them? > > > > > > This is definitely going to be Ajax, but i am still undecided and > > > researching with what to go with ... currently going to try and > > > compare different packages with graph library/engines. > > > > > > The best, > > > Joseph Leong > > > > > > ------=_Part_9679_11089578.1201768886548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Kevan,

Thanks for your input.  I'll take some time and see what i can do to re-engineer a better representation.  Hopefully this implementation will help eliminate/reduce the frustration you and others are experiencing with the current view.

Any other ideas or comments are certainly welcome!

Thanks,

Joseph Leong

On Jan 31, 2008 12:28 AM, Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
Joe,
I think this would be pretty cool. I've often been frustrated trying to get information out of the classloader/dependency viewer. 

I certainly wouldn't rule out including this in our normal assembly. Will need to see what your solution looks like. You might want to consider a graphical view and a text-based view of the information. The current text-based view has most/all of the information. However, it's not very usable. Possible that with a bit of re-engineering, the views could be a lot more useful.

--kevan

On Jan 30, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Joseph Leong wrote:

Hi Erik,

Originally I'm just going off the idea of it being a neat plugin that the community or anyone can use.  Just a sort of tool.  I guess there is no telling how novel others will find this piece, but it's a starting point and hopefully a useful contribution at that.  But to answer you original question, it's creation isn't expected to be in assembly or replacing/upgrading the current pieces.... merely an alternative. 

Yes, right now the dojo 1.x.x is looking to be the strongest contender and i want to keep consistency with what else we have in AG now.  I'll provide updates later on what specifically for open opinion.

Thanks for your thoughts,
-Joe

On Jan 30, 2008 4:35 PM, Erik B. Craig <ecraig@apache.org> wrote:
Joe,

If this is something that is intended for eventual inclusion in a full
assembly/replacing or upgrading the classloader and dependency
viewers, then you should probably be looking into using dojo 1.0.2,
especially giving that the current stuff is already written to use
dojo 0.4.3, and shouldn't be that completely terrible of a task to
migrate them / improve them.


Thanks,
Erik B. Craig
ecraig@apache.org




On Jan 30, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Joseph Leong wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> So i was thinking about creating a neat new little plugin piece that
> would help represent the data in the ClassLoader Viewer and
> Dependency Viewer better visually.  The purpose of this is to
> represent the current data/hierarchy in a more complete and
> graphical format..ultimately hoping that this node and arc format
> will be found useful to those who prefer a diagram representation.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas of what they'd like to see be put in this
> plugin that would help them?
>
> This is definitely going to be Ajax, but i am still undecided and
> researching with what to go with ... currently going to try and
> compare different packages with graph library/engines.
>
> The best,
> Joseph Leong




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