Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 23454 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2007 10:46:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2007 10:46:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 45861 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2007 10:46:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 45307 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2007 10:46:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 45295 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2007 10:46:02 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:46:02 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kevan.miller@gmail.com designates 66.249.82.224 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.82.224] (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.224) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:45:58 +0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1139370wxd for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JjJ1wqp0RakIw5lvq4UG8rIVUjwwOZNRft5WwD+CMmP/0pHAzzRTFMlsU9tWzflxzAZBtV9SYdjODXmshauLvSfy7vZDvEnFoaV09A/5UYtk7vFsLF+4316a3hRlpGSRcb4M/sWlPYh2XoDF0IJkxvjDtzcuQxJPLzYKELY0CaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sv3jKKQY2Y8z5Sft96DIf5wk89nEE7EF4Tllj/VIoOXvpQg59AoSHvNEMZyQztMxKUygtY1xE1AamkaSRyj82sbu1/H6PN4iJbtYpYKJMkEgglJBVzELdoCBTV8TisW85dvYi3T7G9fhB537MZ2yDHS7jTT5PcbBL3RDh7kEOGI= Received: by 10.90.83.14 with SMTP id g14mr4398140agb.1186397137516; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [69.134.127.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm7542485aga.2007.08.06.03.45.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <46B2840B.30602@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <023B6232-89A3-40ED-9840-C3CADB154D17@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kevan Miller Subject: Re: Changes to server started messages Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:45:32 -0400 To: dev@geronimo.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Aug 6, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Jason Dillon wrote: > I think it makes more sense w/o the full url bits, since those are > highly dependent on how you configured the connectors. Ya. I understood that when I asked. And don't necessarily disagree with where we end up. We might consider tweaking the startup message a bit. Two points: 1) Discuss/document the decision on dev@. If it was discussed/ documented on dev@, then my apologies... 2) Note that http:// works just perfectly for umpity percent of users. So, we've sacrificed some usability for some accuracy. We're accurate for more complex cases where users know how to change our default connectors (most of whom would understand the relativity of the app contexts, anyway). And we're less usable for naive users (e.g. ones who just downloaded Geronimo for the first time). --kevan