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From Dain Sundstrom <>
Subject Re: Geronimo/Tuscany integration
Date Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:30:44 GMT
I suggest you get option 1 working before attempting option 2.  I  
suspect you will find lots of bugs and mismatched assumptions.  Once  
that is working, option 2 will be much easier to implement since you  
know it "Should Work".


On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Jay D. McHugh wrote:

> Hello Raymond,
> I think it would almost be a shame if the only option for including  
> Tuscany in Geronimo was to package the runtime jar in individual  
> WAR files.
> Tuscany would make an excellent (I think) plugin.
> Option 2 definitely.
> Jay
> Raymond Feng wrote:
>> Hi, Geronimo community.
>> As you may know, Tuscany is an Apache project under incubation to  
>> provide an open source SOA infrastructure. For more information,  
>> you can visit
>> Tuscany implements the SCA specification ( and  
>> allows you to develop and run SCA components in various hosting  
>> environments. We currently integrate with Tomcat and Jetty and  
>> would like to try to integrate with Geronimo as well. I would like  
>> to start some discussions here to figure out the best way to do that.
>> After some preliminary investigations of Geronimo, I feel that  
>> there are two options on the table so far.
>> 1) Shallow integration: Package SCA applications together with the  
>> Tuscany runtime as WARs and deploy them Geronimo as Web  
>> applications. It's basically the integration with a Web container.  
>> We register a TuscanyContextListner (which implements  
>> javax.servlet.ServletContextListener) in web.xml to start/stop the  
>> Tuscany runtime when the web application is started/stopped.
>> This will allow us to support the following use cases:
>> * A Web application hosted by Geronimo with business logic written  
>> as SCA components
>> * Expose one or more SCA components as Web services over HTTP as  
>> supported by the Web container.
>> 2) Deep integration: We package the Tuscany runtime and its  
>> dependencies as Geronimo modules and deploy them to Geronimo  
>> (which is similar to how Tomcat is integrated as the Web container  
>> for Geronimo). We can then create a Tuscany plugin (a collection  
>> of modules) so that it can be added to Geronimo. The Tuscany  
>> container will then handle SCA-specific deployment plans to  
>> install SCA applications and provide runtime infrastructure for them.
>> On top of Option 2, we could further integrate Geronimo's J2EE  
>> capabilities such as EJB, WS, JMS and JCA with Tuscany. Basically,  
>> SCA components will be able to access JEE services (using SCA  
>> composite references) and SCA components will be able to expose  
>> services (SCA composite services) over JEE protocols as well.
>> This will allow us to support the following use cases:
>> * Any J2EE application hosted by Geronimo would be able to take  
>> advantage of SCA programming model
>> * Provide SCA services over various protocols such as RMI/IIOP,  
>> JMS and JCA
>> * Invoke existing JEE applications (EJB, JMS backend, JCA-based  
>> EIS or Web Services) from SCA components
>> Any thoughts?
>> Thanks,
>> Raymond
>> Apache Tuscany committer

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