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From Jason Dillon <>
Subject Re: org.apache.geronimo.system.main.Daemon and commons-cli
Date Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:08:28 GMT
On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:42 AM, Gianny Damour wrote:
>> In the meantime... can anyone tell me why we are booting up a  
>> kernel before cli parsing?  From what has congealed in my head so  
>> far... this is for access to the repository for classloading of  
>> bootstrap classes.  Is there any other reason why we boot a kernel  
>> here before cli parsing?
> A kernel is booted before cli parsing so that classes parsing cli  
> arguments do not need to be defined by the system classloader.  
> Verbose level switches must be done prior to boot a Geronimo kernel  
> as they control the default log level and this initialization must  
> occur prior to acquire the first log instance.
> The bootstrap is simple as: load a boot configuration; get a Main  
> implementation from it (or configurations restored when the boot  
> configuration is loaded); and invoke execute(String args[]) on it.  
> AFAIK, all the clis use this unified approach.

So do we end up with 2 kernels after everything is booted?  One for  
bootstrap and one for the real deal?

> Why is it "a wee bit more difficult" to add commons-cli now?

Its just that cli processing is now scattered between a few classes  
over 2 modules at least for Daemon.  There are also a bunch more  
classes, some with main() others w/o main()... which has me  
scratching my head to what this is actually doing.

I'm also wondering what's the difference between Daemon and  

What happens when users want to use a different repository location?

I basically understand what is going on... but I think the order of  
how its being done is a odd.  Like if you run:

     java -jar bin/server.jar --help

You have to wait several seconds for the bootstrap kernel to load...  
just to display the cli usage... that seems wrong IMO.  I would  
rather have commons-cli.jar and a tiny geronimo-cli.jar on the system  
classpath (along with the kernels requirements), process command-line  
options, then boot up the kernel and delegate to a bootstrapping Main  
to finish the job.


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