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From "Paul McMahan" <>
Subject Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?
Date Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:44:35 GMT
On 1/12/07, Jason Dillon <> wrote:
> How easy is it to install a set of plugins from the command-line?

The CLI provided by bin/ provides an interactive shell for
this.  To list and install plugins from the Geronimo 2.0 plugin
repository type : search-plugins

Or you can install a plugin file that you've downloaded to your local
filesystem by typing : install-plugin PluginFile

If you've built geronimo locally then you can point this command at
the plugins under ~/.m2/repository/org/apache/geronimo/configs.

> And don't plugins require a remote repository to hold the archives?

A plugin can be installed from the local filesystem as shown above.

> While I think that this is good to allow installation of custom
> plugins, I don't think its good to use a remote repo to install
> system components.  I'd rather ship everything in one assembly, and
> then have a simple command-line tool to allow customization of what
> is installed.

You could tar up the org/apache/geronimo/configs portion of a maven
repo, add a catalog to the root of that repository (i.e.
geronimo-plugins.xml) and include that in geronimo's micro-G
distrbution.  Then users could use the CLI (or some installation
script we provide) to selectively install plugins using a file:// URL
that points at that local repository.

> I'm no expert on how plugins currently work, but it is my
> understanding that it is not that easy to configure a server to use a
> set of plugins from he command-line (or driven off of a configuration
> file).  For build automation and TCK testing it would be a PITA to
> require the console and then need to automate clicks to setup the
> right configuration for testing.

The console makes it easier to browse a plugin repository, but it is
not required to install plugins.

> Eventually... I think that everything (except the core kernel and
> deployment system) should be in some self-contained plugin, which
> could be zipped up in an archive, or as a set of xmls and jars which
> could be deployed into the server.
> My understanding is that we are not really to that point yet,
> hopefully once 2.0 is out we can focus on some of these usability and
> configuration issues.
> --jason
> On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> > On 1/12/07, Jason Dillon <> wrote:
> >> If we do start shipping 8 (or more) different assemblies... which
> >> I think is
> >> crazy, then we probably don't want to hook them all up to the
> >> default build,
> >> as it will just cause it take longer and longer to run.
> >>
> >> We really need to get plugins functional so that we can build one
> >> assembly.
> >>
> >> Please... :-)
> >
> > AFAIK the plugin functionality already works sufficiently well to
> > support this approach.  And the infrastructure should already be in
> > place as well since the plugin repository catalogs at
> > point to maven repos where the Geronimo CARs  get
> > published.
> >
> > Granted we've only used plugins for installing applications so far and
> > really haven't tried using plugins to install or replace core jee5
> > services, so there may be missing functionality that needs our
> > attention.  Only way to know for sure is to identify each config that
> > should be provided as plugin, map out its dependencies, and add a
> > geronimo-plugin.xml to the CAR file that maven builds.  Then update
> > the plugin catalog so when that CAR gets published to the maven repo
> > it will be installable as a plugin.  There are several examples in
> > trunk/configs.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Paul

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