Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 28429 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 10:58:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 10:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 36840 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2006 10:58:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 36796 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2006 10:58:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 36785 invoked by uid 99); 19 Sep 2006 10:58:09 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:58:09 -0700 Authentication-Results: idunn.apache.osuosl.org header.from=jason.dillon@gmail.com; domainkeys=good X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,RCVD_BY_IP DomainKey-Status: good X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 Received: from ([66.249.82.238:8477] helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1 r(10620)) with ESMTP id C3/F0-26148-A3DCF054 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:58:04 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so4289306wxd for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=TJVj8QWxUtC+DZ6CcqfkURmNzVWtTU9gYbpRZFN/XxRN+T9BNwJ0p2wpQnvw8yFVBy6jPjV+sutjk7MX3nsI4T0SXvFlHURI+scsVT5AA/cY2jx9QrNQNxJyNu45Dj4epwX5vTUh2JLIxWkLEoL5LvzUaMPLEB+L3CIITGPWkYc= Received: by 10.70.29.7 with SMTP id c7mr831515wxc; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.4? ( [24.7.69.241]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 11sm1713653wrl.2006.09.19.03.57.57; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1b5bfeb50609190008l2d4140a9je4673e3c254ccab0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B4D10FF-816A-4379-8CF7-E5C748C4942B@planet57.com> <1b5bfeb50609190008l2d4140a9je4673e3c254ccab0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <54C88C1E-5C18-4DA0-97DD-C7D322A97272@planet57.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jason Dillon Subject: Re: Let us please use a JIRA for every code change we make Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:57:52 -0700 To: dev@geronimo.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Jason Dillon X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N There are always small changes that are not directly tied to a specific JIRA issue. My point is that by making it a requirement to have a JIRA issue that people will end up creating more issues than we really nee (or want). I have made a lot of small changes to the build which fit into this category. Some clean up also fits into that category. Say, adding or fixing javadocs, or adding TODO comments, etc... all things which probably don't have a JIRA issue and it would be a PITA to force folks to go an make one. That is way to artificial and pointless. --jason On Sep 19, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote: > On 9/18/06, Jason Dillon wrote: >> I think it is a bad idea to force every change to have a JIRA issue >> created (or associated). This will only lead to forcing people to >> add a bunch of junk to JIRA. >> >> -1 to forcing each change to have a JIRA... common sense should >> dictate which changes need JIRA issues and which do not. >> >> JIRA is more useful to track high-level coarse grained information >> and bugs fixed. If you need fine grained history, look at >> subversion. > > Would you present some examples of changes (commits) that should not > be reported in JIRA? What changes would you make that don't fall into > some kind of high-level coarse-grained information? If they're not > part of a bigger picture, why would you care to commit them? I can't > think of any change that goes to trunk without a need for it so if > there's a need for it people will expect it to be trackable and > RELEASE NOTES are one of the excellent means. It requires that each > and every change is bound to a JIRA report, though. > > Jacek > > -- > Jacek Laskowski > http://www.laskowski.net.pl