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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Geronimo Plugins project (Re: Where to develop plugins
Date Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:46:54 GMT
Aaron,

It's all related. If we set up a sub project, that will be tasked to
maintain the repo as well. Anyways, Thanks for making things crystal
clear about what you wish to do and not do.

-- dims

On 9/2/06, Aaron Mulder <ammulder@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:
> First, the thread you quoted was talking about a plugin repository,
> holding the binary versions of plugins, not a home for plugin source
> code.  It would be fine to work on both, but the source isse seems
> more pressing at the moment.
>
> Second, I don't want to take the lead on this.  I want more people to
> be familiar with plugins, how to build them, etc.  I will be happy to
> support and answer any questions, but we need more plugin experts, not
> more dependence on the original author.
>
> Thanks,
>      Aaron
>
> On 9/2/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > Last we checked, Matt, Hernan and I showed interest as well [1]. We
> > are looking for a leader to spearhead this effort. Let me be blunt, at
> > this point we are looking upto you to lead the way as the person with
> > the most knowledge/experience. Sorry to put you on the spot!.
> >
> > thanks,
> > -- dims
> >
> > [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=115048484932019&w=2
> >
> > On 9/2/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
> > > I would be happy to help, not take a lead ;-) I have a lot on my plate
> > > right now.
> > >
> > > I would like to see all of our components as plugins (not just
> > > directory, samples, console ,etc).  I think once everything is a plugin,
> > > the real value of Geronimo will begin to become evident.
> > >
> > > Aaron Mulder wrote:
> > > > Well, are there any volunteers to set up the Geronimo plugins project
> > > > and migrate all the current ones (directory, examples, possibly
> > > > console, etc.) to that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >     Aaron
> > > >
> > > > On 9/2/06, Matt Hogstrom <matt@hogstrom.org> wrote:
> > > >> Totally agree...with your points.  I was commenting more on why we
> > > >> didn't have it yet.  I concur
> > > >> that The Geronimo Project should be hosting our own set of plugins.
> > > >> Esp. the Apache based ones like
> > > >> directory and samples.
> > > >>
> > > >> I hope I didn't go too far into the ditch :)
> > > >>
> > > >> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > >> > Matt,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I guess, we should the leave the offer of a new Geronimo subproject
> > > >> > for plugins on the table. The bottom line is *IF* someone wants
to
> > > >> > develop plugins here, then we can and should set it up at that
time.
> > > >> > Until then it's status quo. It's not like we have not done this
> > > >> > plugins concept before. For example, see the httpd's list/site
of
> > > >> > community maintained modules (all licenses) here:
> > > >> > http://modules.apache.org/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We should do as much as possible for people who wish to engage
and cut
> > > >> > our losses if people come up with lame reasons not to engage
or don't
> > > >> > wish to work within the bounds of an ASF sponsored project.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Aaron, or anyone else for that matter can work where they want.
We
> > > >> > can't force anyone to work here. All we can do is thank them
for the
> > > >> > work done here so far and wish them best to continue elsewhere.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > thanks,
> > > >> > dims
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 9/2/06, Matt Hogstrom <matt@hogstrom.org> wrote:
> > > >> >> I think this is what most people want.  I can't speak for
Aaron but I
> > > >> >> think he wants to build some
> > > >> >> plugins that includes LGPL code.  IIRC he felt that it was
too much
> > > >> >> work for him to build and
> > > >> >> maintain the two different sites and specifically said he
was going to
> > > >> >> do it elsewhere for the
> > > >> >> licensing issue.  No one else has stepped up in the community
to put
> > > >> >> the alternate site together.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I agree it is unfortunate and not good for the community
but the
> > > >> >> community lacks the resources /
> > > >> >> interest to do both.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > >> >> > Just like we have a "Apache Geronimo Development Tools
> > > >> Subproject" why
> > > >> >> > can't we have a "Apache Geronimo Plugins Subproject"?
and grant
> > > >> folks
> > > >> >> > working on plugins karma there if karma is the issue.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > My 2 cents...Forking community is not good. We should
try to
> > > >> encourage
> > > >> >> > people to work here especially new folks. If i had not
gotten the
> > > >> red
> > > >> >> > carpet from cocoon folks back in 2001, i'd never have
made it as a
> > > >> >> > Apache committer. If they had told me to open a new
sf.net project
> > > >> >> > with my addons that would have been the end of the road
for me. I am
> > > >> >> > greatly indebted to folks like Stefano who gave me a
jump start.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- dims
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On 9/1/06, David Blevins <david.blevins@visi.com>
wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > Re: developers developing plugins - you're
certainly right, we're
> > > >> >> not
> > > >> >> >> > developing one monolithic codebase with all
the features one
> > > >> could
> > > >> >> >> > dream of. It's impossible and I understand
why people could
> > > >> develop
> > > >> >> >> > their plugins outside. They simply don't have
necessary karma to
> > > >> >> do it
> > > >> >> >> > here. That's a very important matter I've not
thought of before.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What I was not happy with was you as a Geronimo
committer
> > > >> who's been
> > > >> >> >> > doing plugin development outside. Now, when
I think about it a
> > > >> bit
> > > >> >> >> > more I think I get the gist of it - you couldn't
work with your
> > > >> >> >> > buddies, actually, they couldn't work as easily
as they can do
> > > >> >> outside
> > > >> >> >> > - the rest of the jpa plugin team don't have
the karma to do it
> > > >> >> here.
> > > >> >> >> > Got it and have to think about it a little
to let my mind settle.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> A major part of my moral compass on situations like
this is, "what
> > > >> >> >> signal
> > > >> >> >> does this send to the aspiring <ProjectName>
developers out there?"
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Imagine a hundred developers excited about the idea
of developing
> > > >> >> >> plugins
> > > >> >> >> for Geronimo.  How do my actions and attitudes in
this situation
> > > >> >> affect
> > > >> >> >> them and their excitement and what does it tell
them about how they
> > > >> >> >> might
> > > >> >> >> be perceived by me?  Am I ultimately bringing them
closer or
> > > >> scaring
> > > >> >> >> them
> > > >> >> >> away?
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> The answers are of course harder.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> -David
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers)
> >
>


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