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Sounds good...thanks for taking this approach.

Jason Dillon wrote:
> I mentioned before, that if we use antrun here, that it will cause other
> antrun executions to fail since plugins are only initialized once, and
> some plugins need to add some additional dependencies.
> 
> Its also much more difficult to support executions of individual steps
> using antrun.
> 
> Best bet is to use something external... before it was /bin/sh... and
> now its gonna be Ant.  I think that is better that /bin/sh and batch.
> 
> --jason
> 
> 
> On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
> 
>> Jason,
>>
>> Why not use the ant-run plugin for maven instead of a build.xml?
>>
>> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Dillon wrote:
>>> I've whipped up an equivalent bootstrap.xml, testing it now...
>>>
>>> if it works as expected I will commit it, and a bootstrap and
>>> bootstrap.bat that will invoke the build.
>>>
>>> Then, everyone needs to have Ant 1.6.5 installed (and ant available on
>>> the PATH) and Cygwin is no longer required.
>>>
>>> --jason
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacek Laskowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/06, Jason Dillon <jason@planet57.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I meant to just use Ant... if we end up using antrun from the
>>>>>> bootstrap it will end up causing other antrun's to fail later on
>>>>>> since some of them need additional dependencies... which won't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, didn't think about it. Are you really suggesting to use Ant beside
>>>>> Maven? It's getting too complicated to just get started. When do you
>>>>> think bootstrap will go away? Is it worth to talk about it any more?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacek
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is not taken negatively...as it is not meant that way...
>>>>
>>>> I think it is worth talking about, especially when we think bootstrap
>>>> will go away.  I respect Jason's disdain for Windows, but it also is
>>>> the
>>>> most used and most popular OS...which means it probably represents a
>>>> large base of our community. :)
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, if we are to continue with the bootstrap, then I think it is
>>>> reasonable to support both *nix and Windows.  No...I am not
>>>> volunteering
>>>> as I have other things on my plate, but I think if Mark D. wants to
>>>> take
>>>> on supporting the Windows side, I cannot find a negative in this.
>>>> What I
>>>> do not think is reasonable is forcing any user to have to install
>>>> Cygwin
>>>> (even though I love it) to build G on Windows.  Cygwin is a fairly
>>>> large
>>>> install and I have been at companies where one is forbidden to have it
>>>> on corporate machines.
>>>>
>>>> So, my point is, if the bootstrap is short lived, then disregard my
>>>> opinion ;-)  But if it's gonna be with us for a while, lets allow the
>>>> Windows bat version if Mark is willing to support it...or find
>>>> something
>>>>  (like ant?) that will make it work on our most popular OS systems.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff