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From David Jencks <>
Subject Re: 1.1.1 Status - XSD and DTD issues
Date Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:45:41 GMT

On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:

> If they are only used during the build process, then don't re- 
> distribute
> and therefore this issue then seems out of the critical path for 1.1.1
> and can be solved for

They are not needed at runtime, but xmlbeans packs the source schemas  
into the jar with its other binary artifacts.  We might be able to  
prevent their inclusion into our jars, but I don't see how having  
them in svn is not redistribution, so I think we need allowable  
copies of the j2ee 1.4 schemas in our svn.

david jencks
> gier
> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>> They are used by XMLBeans during the build process.  I guess we  
>> could do
>> a one-time generation of the XMLBeans classes but I'd be more
>> comfortable with Jencks' input.  If you don't have the schemas you'd
>> have to have network connectivity to build I suspect.
>> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>> Can't we just ship without those?  We have pointers to them on  
>>> our web
>>> site at -- is there any
>>> additional reason we need them at runtime (e.g. does XMLBeans use  
>>> the
>>> actual schema to validate at runtime)?
>>> Thanks,
>>>     Aaron
>>> On 8/18/06, Matt Hogstrom <> wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> For those wondering where the Geronimo 1.1.1 release is at here  
>>>> is a
>>>> quick summary and battle plan.
>>>> John Sisson discovered that we have several DTD and XSDs  
>>>> included in
>>>> our build that are copies of
>>>> Sun's original material.  The copyright in the material seems to
>>>> indicate that we cannot
>>>> redistribute the content.  Unfortunately, as Geir has pointed out,
>>>> that there is no clear way to
>>>> interpret the license and we should manually generate these to stay
>>>> legal and avoid any appearance
>>>> of impropriety.
>>>> The documents in question reside in both the distribution of the
>>>> source as well as the server
>>>> itself.  It appears that other open source and commercial  
>>>> vendors do
>>>> distribute these documents in
>>>> their original form but the ASF does not have a clear indication  
>>>> that
>>>> we can follow this same
>>>> practice.  You can find the documents in
>>>> $G_BUILD_TREE/modules/j2ee-schema/src/* as well as the
>>>> distributions in $G_DIST/schema/* directories.
>>>> The documents are identified in JIRA
>>>> I'd like to ask anyone that has some spare moments to help out with
>>>> putting these together.
>>>> Basically, you need to refer to the appropriate specification and
>>>> type in the XML exactly like it is
>>>> represented for actual elements and either omit or paraphrase the
>>>> information embedded in comments
>>>> so we do not violate Sun's copyright.
>>>> I know this is frustrating but for their own reasons Sun has  
>>>> imposed
>>>> this unfriendly copyright and
>>>> we need to abide by it.  We are protecting The ASF, Geronimo and  
>>>> our
>>>> users.
>>>> If you are working on a document please update the above JIRA to
>>>> indicate it is partial so others
>>>> can see what remains.  Please check the new schemas into their
>>>> respective replacements.  When the
>>>> replacements are complete we'll build a new distribution and run it
>>>> through a full CTS test to
>>>> validate our work.
>>>> Please also consider working with a partner so you can cross check
>>>> each other's work.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your patience and help with this important  
>>>> issue.
>>>> Also, if others have input into the process that I have missed  
>>>> please
>>>> provide it as well.
>>>> Thanks to John and Geir for discovering and mediating on this  
>>>> issue.

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