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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:45:25 -0600
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Jason,

I understand you are frustrated.  First, let's make clear that we have
people who develop from multiple countries with multiple languages, and
sometimes we need to do what we can to communicate with each other...and
it's not always as smooth as we hope.  Even for us who all have the same
native language, we misunderstand each other all the time...especially
as of late.

Email can be a frustrating conduit for communication, so I think its
extra important that we talk to one and another with a bit more concern
for how things come off.  Clearly I am a huge violator in this
department ;-)

If things start to frustrate you...chat about them or walk away from the
terminal after typing up a nasty message...hitting delete before send.
You would be surprised how different what pours out of your fingers
changes after the heat has subsided.  But please, try not to get
sarcastic...it is something that gets grating after a while.  It's a lot
easier to be direct in what you are asking as you will get a lot better
response.

Thanks,

Jeff

Jason Dillon wrote:
> I have tried to be constructive... but I can only go so far until I
> start to shutdown...
> 
> So far I've responded to Jacek several times about creating an issue.
> The first was a response to a question if he should create an issue,
> and I said yes.  So after several more emails still talking about no
> issue and me responding with affirmation to create one... I really
> don't have much more patience nor do I really know to best and
> constructively respond to a situation like that.
> 
> And I really, really don't see how else I could have possibly
> responded to his statement in any other constructive manner, about not
> understanding my query after I had though that I really, clearly
> stated exactly what I was asking.
> 
> --jason
> 
> 
> On 7/24/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
>> Jason,
>>
>> Do you think you could answer your peers a little bit more
>> constructively?  Your answers to people are a bit caustic and it is not
>> helping promote a healthy environment.  Is there something that we can
>> help with to aid in a more amicable interaction with your peers?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jason Dillon wrote:
>> >> I don't understand why it hasn't been reported in JIRA? An issue is
>> >> not known unless it's reported in JIRA where people (like me) can
>> >> notice it. I don't think the community follows each and every thread
>> >> that's in dev@, so how could they know about it?
>> >
>> > So, for the 3rd time... file an issue.
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Really don't understand why we have to bounce back and forth for
>> >>> several days to get something done.  For example, I asked you for the
>> >>> "length path" you ran under... and instead of actually giving me the
>> >>> path which I asked for you, you give some explanation of why you were
>> >>> in the lengthy past which I did not even ask for.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sounding as repeating myself, but as I didn't get the point I
>> >> didn't respond as you requested. I believe the answer above is
>> >> sufficient. As you wished ;-)
>> >
>> > How else would one answer the question "What is the lengthy path you
>> ran
>> > under?" except with the exact *lengthy path*?
>> >
>> > --jason
>>