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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Sponsor OpenEJB to become sub-project of Geronimo
Date Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:47:02 GMT
These seem to be good points to me.


Regards,
Alan

Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
> Hi all,
>     I am an OpenEJB developer and although I'm not as well known as 
> many of the others, I have been with the team for about 3 years.  I am 
> a big fan of Geronimo but ever since OpenEJB became the EJB container 
> for Geronimo, things have been a little less clear for OpenEJB users.  
> For example, a lot of people only know OpenEJB via Geronimo.  Most 
> don't know that OpenEJB is a standalone EJB container with more than 7 
> years under its belt.  While this is a tragedy this is not the point I 
> am wishing to make so lets continue.
>
>     OpenEJB began life a long time ago.  When Geronimo came along, 
> things took a turn for the worst for OpenEJB.  Not only did the 
> mainstream development of the non-Geronimo version of OpenEJB suffer 
> and nearly stop but the users of OpenEJB also began to backlash about 
> this feeling of neglect.  Geronimo took the best developers from 
> OpenEJB to build a better version of OpenEJB but it only builds and 
> runs inside of Geronimo.  This again is a tragedy.  I could go on but 
> I need to make a point.
>
>     My point is that OpenEJB is a mature EJB container with many 
> devoted developers.  It is not tied to Geronimo.  The fact that the 
> version within Geronimo is pretty Geronimo-specific is a planning 
> problem and should not be taken out on the OpenEJB developers.  Many 
> of the developers, like myself, would love to see the Apache Software 
> Foundation open its doors to a mature and well-known EJB container to 
> call its own.  The concerns about OpenEJB ties to Geronimo should not 
> keep a great product from being sponsored at the ASF.
>
> Take care,
>
> Jeremy
>
> P.S. - I'm a +1 on this if my vote isn't seen as biased.  ;)
>
>
> On 7/4/06, *John Sisson* < jrsisson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jrsisson@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Alan,
>
>     What type of concerns do they have regarding its close association
>     with
>     Geronimo?
>
>     Regards,
>     John
>
>     Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>     > I also am leaning towards the idea that it's good for OpenEJB to be
>     > separate from Geronimo.  Whenever I talk w/ users of OpenEJB,
>     they are
>     > always concerned about its close association w/
>     Geronimo.  However, it
>     > is my understanding that Dain is working hard on decoupling
>     OpenEJB's
>     > strong reliance on Geronimo code.
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Alan
>     >
>     > Mohammed Nour wrote:
>     >> Hi All...
>     >>
>     >> +1, but I have a question. Isn't it better to have OEJB as a
>     separate
>     >> project, as we have the intention to make it independent from
>     >> Geronimo, as to have it work inside or outside Geronimo?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 12/3/05, *David Blevins* <david.blevins@visi.com
>     <mailto:david.blevins@visi.com>
>     >> <mailto: david.blevins@visi.com
>     <mailto:david.blevins@visi.com>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     The OpenEJB committers have discussed it and voted to be
>     become a
>     >>     Geronimo sub-project.  The incubator proposl is here:
>     >>
>     >>     http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenEjbProposal
>     >>
>     >>     Please vote if you'd like Geronimo to be the sponsor of
>     OpenEJB
>     >>     during incubation
>     >>
>     >>     [ ] +1 = I support the move to sponsor OpenEJB during
>     incubation
>     >>     as a
>     >>     sub-project of Geronimo
>     >>     [ ] +0 = I don't mind either way
>     >>     [ ] -1 = I don't support this move because: _______________
>     >>
>     >>     +1 from me
>     >>
>     >>     --
>     >>     David
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>
>


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