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From "Hiram Chirino" <hi...@hiramchirino.com>
Subject Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager
Date Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:55:55 GMT
Hi Jeff,

All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.

Now the default link issue is something else.  Can we point it by
default at some Apache machines by default?  I'm sure Aaron would not
mind, would you?

We do things like this all the time.  Our maven builds are TOTALLY
dependent on non asf hardware.  If ibiblio or codehaus go down, I
think we would have some serious issues trying to build geronino and
friends.  And I may be wrong but I think Aaron's site was similar in
that it was just providing free hosting for artifacts.  Or an I wrong?

Regards,
Hiram

On 6/14/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hiram Chirino wrote:
> > I wouldn't care..  And I don't understand why anyone else would either?
>
> I think Matt was trying to make a point.
>
> I respect the fact that it does not bother you, but it bothers others
> here.  That, in-and-of itself, should be enough to stop and think about
> what we are doing as a team...and think about how our actions affect
> each other.
>
> Although injecting that site into G may not be "wrong" per-se, it
> clearly falls in a gray area that should have raised enough discomfort
> that discussion probably should have preceded the action.  Call me a
> moral guy, but I would have lost sleep if I placed "virtuas.com" in the
> server as the default plugin site without any discussion...but that is
> just me.
>
> To be more poignant, this is supposed to be an open source application
> server.  It's probably not fair to any other committer, user, developer,
> Apache member, what have you...if someone's commercial site becomes a
> default link in something that is supposed to represent a charity effort
> without open discussion.  I think people perceive that they are being
> exploited...again maybe that's just me.
>
> I don't believe Aaron's contributions outweigh anyone else's on this
> project, and I think anyone/everyone should have an opportunity to be
> the default site.  So if we feel as a team that Aaron should reap the
> rewards of being a default plugin, then its a decision we, as a
> community/group/team, need to come to consensus on.
>
> That may not help you understand why it would bother anyone else, but I
> had to offer up why it bothers me.
>
> Thats my penny's worth ;-)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> >
> > On 6/9/06, Matt Hogstrom <matt@hogstrom.org> wrote:
> >> Would it make any difference to anyone if IBM proposed that we put
> >> http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins
> >> as the default option.  I think there would be many eye brows raised
> >> at that one.  Let's be
> >> consistent in our interpretations.
> >>
> >> Jeff Genender wrote:
> >> > Bruce Snyder wrote:
> >> >> On 6/9/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> No Bruce, thats not it at all.  Its simply discussing what he was
> >> going
> >> >>> to do.  This all comes back to the lack of communication issue.
> >> >> So you would have preferred that he send an email to the list
> >> >> explaining the work he was doing on the code?
> >> >
> >> > I think it was clear what was wanted and needed...communication.  Lets
> >> > go back to your statement that "we can agree to disagree"...we are
> >> > beating a dead horse here...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Bruce
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>


-- 
Regards,
Hiram

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