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From Matt Hogstrom <>
Subject Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager
Date Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:08:12 GMT

Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> I see a lot of whining in this thread an not a lot of coding.  If you 
> ask me, if Jeff, John or anyone in the projects feels that we need an 
> alternative to the javaplugins site, all they have to do is sit down and 
> put together a site.  At that point we have have an open discussion on 
> the default link.  We had a nice open discussion about the default link 
> a while back and concluded it the javaplugins site was fine since there 
> is only one site available, and when this state changes, I expect the 
> default to change.
> Frankly, I think it is time to separate the talkers from the doers.
> -dain
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
>> Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
>>>, I also don't care if you put up a
>>> site.
>>> Now the default link issue is something else.  Can we point it by
>>> default at some Apache machines by default?  I'm sure Aaron would not
>>> mind, would you?
>>> We do things like this all the time.  Our maven builds are TOTALLY
>>> dependent on non asf hardware.  If ibiblio or codehaus go down, I
>>> think we would have some serious issues trying to build geronino and
>>> friends.  And I may be wrong but I think Aaron's site was similar in
>>> that it was just providing free hosting for artifacts.  Or an I wrong?
>> That is a great question.  If Aaron's intention was to make an ibiblio
>> of sorts, this could have been discussed and it may have passed muster.
>>  The key missing component was the discussion ;-)
>> I am surely interested in intent...the goals...the barriers to entry, or
>> lack thereof regarding this site.
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff

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