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From Jeff Genender <jgenen...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager
Date Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:11:14 GMT


Hiram Chirino wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
> http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
> http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
> 
> Now the default link issue is something else.  Can we point it by
> default at some Apache machines by default?  I'm sure Aaron would not
> mind, would you?
> 
> We do things like this all the time.  Our maven builds are TOTALLY
> dependent on non asf hardware.  If ibiblio or codehaus go down, I
> think we would have some serious issues trying to build geronino and
> friends.  And I may be wrong but I think Aaron's site was similar in
> that it was just providing free hosting for artifacts.  Or an I wrong?

That is a great question.  If Aaron's intention was to make an ibiblio
of sorts, this could have been discussed and it may have passed muster.
 The key missing component was the discussion ;-)

I am surely interested in intent...the goals...the barriers to entry, or
lack thereof regarding this site.

Thanks,

Jeff


> 
> Regards,
> Hiram
> 
> On 6/14/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hiram Chirino wrote:
>> > I wouldn't care..  And I don't understand why anyone else would either?
>>
>> I think Matt was trying to make a point.
>>
>> I respect the fact that it does not bother you, but it bothers others
>> here.  That, in-and-of itself, should be enough to stop and think about
>> what we are doing as a team...and think about how our actions affect
>> each other.
>>
>> Although injecting that site into G may not be "wrong" per-se, it
>> clearly falls in a gray area that should have raised enough discomfort
>> that discussion probably should have preceded the action.  Call me a
>> moral guy, but I would have lost sleep if I placed "virtuas.com" in the
>> server as the default plugin site without any discussion...but that is
>> just me.
>>
>> To be more poignant, this is supposed to be an open source application
>> server.  It's probably not fair to any other committer, user, developer,
>> Apache member, what have you...if someone's commercial site becomes a
>> default link in something that is supposed to represent a charity effort
>> without open discussion.  I think people perceive that they are being
>> exploited...again maybe that's just me.
>>
>> I don't believe Aaron's contributions outweigh anyone else's on this
>> project, and I think anyone/everyone should have an opportunity to be
>> the default site.  So if we feel as a team that Aaron should reap the
>> rewards of being a default plugin, then its a decision we, as a
>> community/group/team, need to come to consensus on.
>>
>> That may not help you understand why it would bother anyone else, but I
>> had to offer up why it bothers me.
>>
>> Thats my penny's worth ;-)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On 6/9/06, Matt Hogstrom <matt@hogstrom.org> wrote:
>> >> Would it make any difference to anyone if IBM proposed that we put
>> >> http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins
>> >> as the default option.  I think there would be many eye brows raised
>> >> at that one.  Let's be
>> >> consistent in our interpretations.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Genender wrote:
>> >> > Bruce Snyder wrote:
>> >> >> On 6/9/06, Jeff Genender <jgenender@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> No Bruce, thats not it at all.  Its simply discussing what
he was
>> >> going
>> >> >>> to do.  This all comes back to the lack of communication issue.
>> >> >> So you would have preferred that he send an email to the list
>> >> >> explaining the work he was doing on the code?
>> >> >
>> >> > I think it was clear what was wanted and needed...communication. 
>> Lets
>> >> > go back to your statement that "we can agree to disagree"...we are
>> >> > beating a dead horse here...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Bruce
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
> 
> 

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