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From David Blevins <>
Subject Re: What's the Wiki story?
Date Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:58:39 GMT
Or Maven for that matter.  In fact, we chould just snarf their entire  
docco setup and use that as a starting point.


On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Genender wrote:

> -1...there is a large spot here for plugins...especially ones under  
> the
> ASF license.  I am still against the thing as it
> still needs addressing.
> I personally think we, as geronimo, should have a system that is very
> similar in nature to Eclipse plugins.  I do not see why we cannot  
> manage
> that here...and allow links that point to other sites for  
> plugins...just
> like eclipse does.
> Jeff
> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>> I gather from what you're saying you don't think the Geronimo project
>> should host any plugins?  How do others feel?
>> Thanks,
>>    Aaron
>> On 6/12/06, Matt Hogstrom <> wrote:
>>> As you say since plugins are not owned by the Geronimo project  
>>> (ASF),
>>> not released by the Geronimo
>>> project and are not under the oversight of the porject perhaps the
>>> best thing to do is to put in an
>>> HTML link pointing to and that way that
>>> project can manage the releases,
>>> interdependncies, etc.  I think its a nice clean break.
>>> When Geronimo hosts its own plugins then it would make sense for  
>>> us to
>>> document them here.
>>> I don't think we should host documentation as part of the Geronimo
>>> Project that is not under ASF
>>> license.
>>> The plugin framework is part of Geronimo...the content is not and is
>>> hosted externally.  I think
>>> this is the division.
>>> Matt
>>> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/06, Hernan Cunico <> wrote:
>>>>> As far as I can see, plugins are part of Geronimo and they  
>>>>> should be
>>>>> in the 1.1 documentation space.
>>>> I diasgree.  Plugins will be versioned separately from Geronimo,  
>>>> and
>>>> will not all be developed by the Geronimo team.  What will we do  
>>>> with
>>>> the Geronimo 1.1 documentation if Plugin Foo is at version 1.0 when
>>>> Geronimo 1.1 ships, but Plugin Foo goes through version 1.1,  
>>>> 1.2, and
>>>> 1.3 before Geronimo 1.2 ships?  Will we constantly be updating the
>>>> Geronimo 1.1 documentation?  I don't think that makes sense.
>>>> I think there should be a Plugins space with the Plugin Foo
>>>> documentation.  In the Geronimo 1.1 documentation we can include a
>>>> list of known available plugins with references to their individual
>>>> documentation pages, or we can actually repeat some common usage of
>>>> popular plugins, but I don't think we should try to capture the
>>>> current state of all plugins (and either have it get terribly  
>>>> outdated
>>>> or need frequent changes to the "finished" parts of the 1.1
>>>> documentation).
>>>>> The plan is, as I proposed several times in earlier emails, to  
>>>>> move
>>>>> all the content from MoinMoin to
>>>>> Confluence. Most of the content in the MoinMoin is outdated or
>>>>> duplicated, the docs that are still
>>>>> valid should be moved to a section within the new structure in
>>>>> confluence. Those topics that don't
>>>>> fit either the User's or Developer's guide should go into the  
>>>>> Geronimo
>>>>> SandBox space which is
>>>>> version independent. This space should hold historical data  
>>>>> like the
>>>>> logo contest for example.
>>>> OK.  Who's going to do that migration?  Also, I have to say, I  
>>>> don't
>>>> think that putting documentation in a different Wiki is going to
>>>> automatically keep it up to date.  It's a nice opportunity to clean
>>>> up, but I imagine we'll need a regular cleaning process if we don't
>>>> want our Wiki to get out of date.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>    Aaron
>>>>> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>>>>> I'd like to add some documentation for specific plugins to a
>>> Wiki.  I
>>>>>> don't know if the plan is to migrate pretty much everything to
>>>>>> Confluence or only keep our main documentation there and use
>>> MoinMoin
>>>>>> for the rest or what.
>>>>>> Still, if we're documenting available plugins, that's probably
>>> more or
>>>>>> less project documentation, and should go in Confluence anyway.
>>> Could
>>>>>> someone with admin access create an Apache Geronimo Plugins  
>>>>>> space?
>>>>>> (The plugins will be on a separate release track from Geronimo  
>>>>>> so I
>>>>>> don't think the plugin docs should necessarily go in the 1.1  
>>>>>> docs.)
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>    Aaron

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