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Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:09:56 -0400
From: Hernan Cunico <hcunico@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Questions about www.geronimoplugins.com site
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I am one of those who just found it out by testing and documenting the console. I could not find any 
  reference anywhere, just a few svn commit.

I guess most of the questions will be addressed when we discuss it here on the dev list but in the 
mean time, Aaron could you please share some info about the whole plugins philosophy/implementation 
so I can add it to the documentation.
Thanks

Cheers!
Hernan

Jeff Genender wrote:
> 
> Aaron Mulder wrote:
> 
>>On 5/1/06, John Sisson <jrsisson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I noticed that the 1.1 console has the www.geronimoplugins.com site as a
>>>default value for the URL in the "Import/Export Configurations" page.
>>>This was introduced in 
>>>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=394605&view=rev .
>>>
>>>I have a few questions:
>>>
>>>Was the plugin concept, site etc. discussed on the dev list?  I haven't
>>>been able to find much at all.
>>
>>No, not really as such, more in little bits and pieces and discussions
>>at TSSJS and so on.  Though I think it was covered in some detail in
>>the vision and goals writeup.  I need to do a better job of describing
>>the plugin architecture, but I've been kind of holding off until it
>>gets out of the testing stages and I can put together a writeup with
>>some walkthroughs and so on.  But I'll send out some documentation on
>>it later today.
>>
> 
> 
> I think there needs to be significant discussion about this on our
> community forums.  This one has caught a few folks by surprise.
> 
> 
>>>Where is this site currently hosted?
>>
>>Erin's currently donating the hosting.
>>
>>
>>>Will it be an ASF hosted site before the 1.1 release goes out?
>>
>>No.  Among other things, it needs to be able to host non-ASL plugins,
>>including GPL, commercial, whatever.  We really need a central site
>>for *all* plugins, not separate places for ASL plugins and non-ASL
>>open source and non-open source plugins.
>>
> 
> 
> The hosting location is an issue.  I think this needs discussion and if
> it is going to be hosted somewhere that is non-ASF, I think an open
> source locale such as Codehaus or SourceForge would be appropriate.  I
> personally am not happy with a link off our portal going to someone's
> personal site.  We need consensus on this.
> 
> 
>>>Where is the source for the site?
>>
>>The source for the plugins themselves is presently entirely in the
>>Geronimo SVN tree.  To make a configuration into a plugin, you just
>>need an extra XML descriptor, and the Geronimo packaging plugin has
>>hooks to insert that into CARs as they are built.  However, as new
>>plugins come in, it will no longer be the case that all the plugin
>>source is at Apache.
>>
>>The source for the web site itself is on the site.  It's not open
>>source (e.g. the images are not redistributable as such), however,
>>we'd be glad to set up accounts for any Geronimo committers who want
>>to work on the site.  And the web site really isn't the important part
>>-- it just a way to navigate to the plugins themselves.
> 
> 
> This gets a -1 from me.  Any links off our portal should pass muster
> with the powers that be, which I believe probably should pass through
> the PMC and very likely Apache, the community, and I would hope that the
> hosting link is just as open as Geronimo/Apache is
> (Codehaus/SF/java.net, etc).  If Apache, the PMC, and everyone else is
> ok with this, then I am willing to acquiesce based on consensus, albeit
> with great dismay.  The plugin idea is great, but the way in which this
> has gone about is not community focused.
> 
> I don't mean to be the negative voice, but something this big should go
> through significant discussion with the Geronimo community before
> implementing it.
> 
> I would like to hear what others think about this.
> 
> Jeff
>