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From Dain Sundstrom <>
Subject Re: Questions about site
Date Mon, 01 May 2006 17:33:38 GMT
I personally don't see a problem with this site specifically.  The  
console appears to support several plugin sites, so if anyone else  
wants to setup a site they can.  All I see us deciding is what sites  
get added to the list by default, and which site is selected by default.


On May 1, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Jeff Genender wrote:

> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>> On 5/1/06, John Sisson <> wrote:
>>> I noticed that the 1.1 console has the  
>>> site as a
>>> default value for the URL in the "Import/Export Configurations"  
>>> page.
>>> This was introduced in
>>> .
>>> I have a few questions:
>>> Was the plugin concept, site etc. discussed on the dev list?  I  
>>> haven't
>>> been able to find much at all.
>> No, not really as such, more in little bits and pieces and  
>> discussions
>> at TSSJS and so on.  Though I think it was covered in some detail in
>> the vision and goals writeup.  I need to do a better job of  
>> describing
>> the plugin architecture, but I've been kind of holding off until it
>> gets out of the testing stages and I can put together a writeup with
>> some walkthroughs and so on.  But I'll send out some documentation on
>> it later today.
> I think there needs to be significant discussion about this on our
> community forums.  This one has caught a few folks by surprise.
>>> Where is this site currently hosted?
>> Erin's currently donating the hosting.
>>> Will it be an ASF hosted site before the 1.1 release goes out?
>> No.  Among other things, it needs to be able to host non-ASL plugins,
>> including GPL, commercial, whatever.  We really need a central site
>> for *all* plugins, not separate places for ASL plugins and non-ASL
>> open source and non-open source plugins.
> The hosting location is an issue.  I think this needs discussion  
> and if
> it is going to be hosted somewhere that is non-ASF, I think an open
> source locale such as Codehaus or SourceForge would be appropriate.  I
> personally am not happy with a link off our portal going to someone's
> personal site.  We need consensus on this.
>>> Where is the source for the site?
>> The source for the plugins themselves is presently entirely in the
>> Geronimo SVN tree.  To make a configuration into a plugin, you just
>> need an extra XML descriptor, and the Geronimo packaging plugin has
>> hooks to insert that into CARs as they are built.  However, as new
>> plugins come in, it will no longer be the case that all the plugin
>> source is at Apache.
>> The source for the web site itself is on the site.  It's not open
>> source (e.g. the images are not redistributable as such), however,
>> we'd be glad to set up accounts for any Geronimo committers who want
>> to work on the site.  And the web site really isn't the important  
>> part
>> -- it just a way to navigate to the plugins themselves.
> This gets a -1 from me.  Any links off our portal should pass muster
> with the powers that be, which I believe probably should pass through
> the PMC and very likely Apache, the community, and I would hope  
> that the
> hosting link is just as open as Geronimo/Apache is
> (Codehaus/SF/, etc).  If Apache, the PMC, and everyone else is
> ok with this, then I am willing to acquiesce based on consensus,  
> albeit
> with great dismay.  The plugin idea is great, but the way in which  
> this
> has gone about is not community focused.
> I don't mean to be the negative voice, but something this big  
> should go
> through significant discussion with the Geronimo community before
> implementing it.
> I would like to hear what others think about this.
> Jeff

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