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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: Questions about site
Date Mon, 01 May 2006 19:10:55 GMT
I do not agree.  I do not think that we should have any sites that are 
non-ASF, much less any non-ASF sites being the default.  I do admit that 
I have not thoroughly thought it out and am willing to discuss the 
matter further.

Until such time, please consider this my -1 veto until we work this out.


Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> I personally don't see a problem with this site specifically.  The 
> console appears to support several plugin sites, so if anyone else 
> wants to setup a site they can.  All I see us deciding is what sites 
> get added to the list by default, and which site is selected by default.
> -dain
> On May 1, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Jeff Genender wrote:
>> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>>> On 5/1/06, John Sisson <> wrote:
>>>> I noticed that the 1.1 console has the site 
>>>> as a
>>>> default value for the URL in the "Import/Export Configurations" page.
>>>> This was introduced in
>>>> .
>>>> I have a few questions:
>>>> Was the plugin concept, site etc. discussed on the dev list?  I 
>>>> haven't
>>>> been able to find much at all.
>>> No, not really as such, more in little bits and pieces and discussions
>>> at TSSJS and so on.  Though I think it was covered in some detail in
>>> the vision and goals writeup.  I need to do a better job of describing
>>> the plugin architecture, but I've been kind of holding off until it
>>> gets out of the testing stages and I can put together a writeup with
>>> some walkthroughs and so on.  But I'll send out some documentation on
>>> it later today.
>> I think there needs to be significant discussion about this on our
>> community forums.  This one has caught a few folks by surprise.
>>>> Where is this site currently hosted?
>>> Erin's currently donating the hosting.
>>>> Will it be an ASF hosted site before the 1.1 release goes out?
>>> No.  Among other things, it needs to be able to host non-ASL plugins,
>>> including GPL, commercial, whatever.  We really need a central site
>>> for *all* plugins, not separate places for ASL plugins and non-ASL
>>> open source and non-open source plugins.
>> The hosting location is an issue.  I think this needs discussion and if
>> it is going to be hosted somewhere that is non-ASF, I think an open
>> source locale such as Codehaus or SourceForge would be appropriate.  I
>> personally am not happy with a link off our portal going to someone's
>> personal site.  We need consensus on this.
>>>> Where is the source for the site?
>>> The source for the plugins themselves is presently entirely in the
>>> Geronimo SVN tree.  To make a configuration into a plugin, you just
>>> need an extra XML descriptor, and the Geronimo packaging plugin has
>>> hooks to insert that into CARs as they are built.  However, as new
>>> plugins come in, it will no longer be the case that all the plugin
>>> source is at Apache.
>>> The source for the web site itself is on the site.  It's not open
>>> source (e.g. the images are not redistributable as such), however,
>>> we'd be glad to set up accounts for any Geronimo committers who want
>>> to work on the site.  And the web site really isn't the important part
>>> -- it just a way to navigate to the plugins themselves.
>> This gets a -1 from me.  Any links off our portal should pass muster
>> with the powers that be, which I believe probably should pass through
>> the PMC and very likely Apache, the community, and I would hope that the
>> hosting link is just as open as Geronimo/Apache is
>> (Codehaus/SF/, etc).  If Apache, the PMC, and everyone else is
>> ok with this, then I am willing to acquiesce based on consensus, albeit
>> with great dismay.  The plugin idea is great, but the way in which this
>> has gone about is not community focused.
>> I don't mean to be the negative voice, but something this big should go
>> through significant discussion with the Geronimo community before
>> implementing it.
>> I would like to hear what others think about this.
>> Jeff

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