Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 65683 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 04:00:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 04:00:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 80252 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2006 04:00:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-geronimo-dev-archive@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 80180 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2006 04:00:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@geronimo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@geronimo.apache.org Received: (qmail 80152 invoked by uid 99); 16 Mar 2006 04:00:50 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:00:50 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [66.93.240.135] (HELO Mail.MeepZor.Info) (66.93.240.135) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:00:49 -0800 Received: from [192.168.23.5] (dsl093-240-231.ral1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.240.231]) by Mail.MeepZor.Info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3804305D; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4418E2C4.9090600@Golux.Com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:00:04 -0500 From: Rodent of Unusual Size Reply-To: coar@apache.org Organization: The Apache Software Foundation; Open Source Initiative User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: dev@geronimo.apache.org, activemq-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator References: <4418C868.10304@toolazydogs.com> In-Reply-To: <4418C868.10304@toolazydogs.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > I don't see any rush here. I think your initial 'what do we need to work on in order to eventually graduate?' message got interpreted by some - -- probably myself included -- as a 'what are the last items to check off so we can graduate?' message. And from there emotions flared. Sorry to say, I think Dain's comment: > I understand this concern and agree with the solution, but we should > remember that AMQ entered the incubator before this was a rule, so I > for one didn't think it appled to them, since they are so close to > graduation. unluckily came at the perfect time to reinforce the wrong message. > Is it not a natural question to ask what else is left to do? It absolutely is. > Is there a compelling reason to keep this in the incubator if there > is no real need other than historical precedence of previous > podlings' matriculation? No. But that's the wrong question. 'Is there a real need to keep this in the incubator, and, if so, what is it?' - -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRBjiw5rNPMCpn3XdAQL6lQP+Pa7TWNs6BO57HAbSkeerPFS3k7ZRfqRV U/MyaPM2iiCaaXQaIhEBdJrXC/tlT3SKOOgJ9KzxZyfBJkC/9Vu77z35LgI+uIEq Dt+2/rQvU6EeENYiz0eN6RG1RhthHBfremhM1ONr/SMND35QaxZQQIAycm4zBS0h guuwMdwjxxY= =ZQYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----