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From Jason Dillon <>
Subject Re: Incubations
Date Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:01:49 GMT
I agree.  While opinions are valuable, when they are collected in  
emails like this they become dangerous and harmful.


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:32 AM, David Blevins wrote:

> Seriously, people.  Let's refrain from sensational emails whose  
> only point is to make things worse.
> We are all here cause we want to work together and make great  
> communities, software and a better ASF.
> -David
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:23 AM, lichtner wrote:
>> I wanted to see what this incubation problem is all about, so I  
>> took a
>> look at the web site .
>> It says that the B.o.D. has determined that it's in "the best  
>> interests of
>> the Foundation" to create this incubator PMC charged with "providing
>> guidance", to help products engender "their own collaborative  
>> community",
>> and "educating" new developers.
>> So you do not want to get incubated by Apache unless:
>> - You care deeply about the Apache Foundation.
>> - You project needs "guidance."
>> - You need your project to have a "community."
>> Philosophy eventually rises up to the surface. This resolution may  
>> explain
>> why we are seeing so many emails about ActiveMQ graduating etc.
>> The Apache Foundation is generous to provide resources to open-source
>> projects, but this is not an entirely selfless act. If your project
>> consists of one person, it does not qualify as a good ASF project  
>> because
>> it doesn't have a "community", for example. If your project doesn't
>> believe in democracy then it's not a good ASF project.
>> Personally, I would not get a project incubated to help ASF be all  
>> it can
>> be. I don't necessarily care about ASF, I do care about the Apache  
>> httpd
>> and the other projects which are hosted by ASF but which might as  
>> well be
>> hosted somewhere else.
>> I think that if Geronimo is at odds with ASF's idealistic, abstract
>> motivations it should pack up its code and move somewhere else  
>> where it
>> can focus on coding. If they are only staying for the free  
>> services then
>> perhaps IBM can donate those.
>> Not to mention that the project is so big it could have its own
>> foundation ...

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