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From Matt Hogstrom <>
Subject Re: Incubations
Date Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:22:04 GMT
Perhaps the points are valid but I'll add two observations:

1. The world is not perfect..never has been...never will be.
2. People seem to be spending more time debating points of conduct and policy 
than coding.  Perhaps everyone is exactly where they want to be.


lichtner wrote:
> I wanted to see what this incubation problem is all about, so I took a
> look at the web site .
> It says that the B.o.D. has determined that it's in "the best interests of
> the Foundation" to create this incubator PMC charged with "providing
> guidance", to help products engender "their own collaborative community",
> and "educating" new developers.
> So you do not want to get incubated by Apache unless:
> - You care deeply about the Apache Foundation.
> - You project needs "guidance."
> - You need your project to have a "community."
> Philosophy eventually rises up to the surface. This resolution may explain
> why we are seeing so many emails about ActiveMQ graduating etc.
> The Apache Foundation is generous to provide resources to open-source
> projects, but this is not an entirely selfless act. If your project
> consists of one person, it does not qualify as a good ASF project because
> it doesn't have a "community", for example. If your project doesn't
> believe in democracy then it's not a good ASF project.
> Personally, I would not get a project incubated to help ASF be all it can
> be. I don't necessarily care about ASF, I do care about the Apache httpd
> and the other projects which are hosted by ASF but which might as well be
> hosted somewhere else.
> I think that if Geronimo is at odds with ASF's idealistic, abstract
> motivations it should pack up its code and move somewhere else where it
> can focus on coding. If they are only staying for the free services then
> perhaps IBM can donate those.
> Not to mention that the project is so big it could have its own
> foundation ...

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