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From David Blevins <>
Subject Re: Incubations
Date Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:32:26 GMT
Seriously, people.  Let's refrain from sensational emails whose only  
point is to make things worse.

We are all here cause we want to work together and make great  
communities, software and a better ASF.


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:23 AM, lichtner wrote:

> I wanted to see what this incubation problem is all about, so I took a
> look at the web site .
> It says that the B.o.D. has determined that it's in "the best  
> interests of
> the Foundation" to create this incubator PMC charged with "providing
> guidance", to help products engender "their own collaborative  
> community",
> and "educating" new developers.
> So you do not want to get incubated by Apache unless:
> - You care deeply about the Apache Foundation.
> - You project needs "guidance."
> - You need your project to have a "community."
> Philosophy eventually rises up to the surface. This resolution may  
> explain
> why we are seeing so many emails about ActiveMQ graduating etc.
> The Apache Foundation is generous to provide resources to open-source
> projects, but this is not an entirely selfless act. If your project
> consists of one person, it does not qualify as a good ASF project  
> because
> it doesn't have a "community", for example. If your project doesn't
> believe in democracy then it's not a good ASF project.
> Personally, I would not get a project incubated to help ASF be all  
> it can
> be. I don't necessarily care about ASF, I do care about the Apache  
> httpd
> and the other projects which are hosted by ASF but which might as  
> well be
> hosted somewhere else.
> I think that if Geronimo is at odds with ASF's idealistic, abstract
> motivations it should pack up its code and move somewhere else  
> where it
> can focus on coding. If they are only staying for the free services  
> then
> perhaps IBM can donate those.
> Not to mention that the project is so big it could have its own
> foundation ...

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