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From: Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
Subject: Re: Why Confluence cannot not be used as a wiki,
 and how it might be fixed
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0500
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org

Hi,

I was just looking into these issues in regard to the activemq and  
servicemix sites.  I really do like confluence a ton and would  
eventually like to see be part of the ASF infrastructure.

What I would like is to just export the confluence content to a  
static site.  This would allow us to also enhance/style/aggregate the  
content during the export so that nice looking project websites are  
the results.

Regards,
Hiram


On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

> Forwarding to the dev@ list with permission.  This
> is where it belongs.
> -- 
> #ken	P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>
>
> See:
> http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Running+Confluence 
> +Behind+a+Cach
> ing+Proxy+Server
>
> The comment:
>
>  "The main problem with the reverse-proxy solution is that every
>   Confluence page is built dynamically for whichever user is
>   currently accessing it."
>
> is a typical indicator of a common problem in many dynamic content  
> systems,
> which all too often neglect the fact that 99.999+% of all traffic  
> is going
> to be relatively static and anonymous.  Dynamic does not mean  
> ephemeral, and
> that distinction is missed all too often.
>
> The facts are that most Wiki access is anonymous, and Wiki content  
> is almost
> entirely static and should be cachable.  Confluence intentionally  
> breaks
> caches, and that behavior needs to be fixed.  There are a number of  
> possible
> solutions.
>
> One way, and just a simple one, since there are others, would be for
> anonymous and authenticated access could have different URLs, e.g.,
> mydomain.tld/confluence/anon/ for the public, and
> mydomain.tld/confluence/auth/ for authenticated users.  That would  
> permit
> the vast majority of accesses to be cached.  "WAIT", you say, "What  
> about
> when someone edits the page under the /auth/ path?  Won't that cause a
> problem for viewers in the /anon/ path?"  Not if the URLs are properly
> designed, and the system is supporting Conditional Get.  The /anon/  
> path
> should be handling Conditional Get based upon the timestamp of the  
> page
> resource.  So most GET requests will simply return 304, unless the  
> page has
> been changed, in which case the updated resource can be returned  
> and cached.
>
> So these are technical issues (Joshua Slive outlined other,  
> related, ones),
> and the ball has been in Atlassian's court to provide some resolution.
>
> 	--- Noel
>
>
>