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From: James Strachan <james.strachan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:29:29 +0000
To: general@incubator.apache.org

On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +0000, James Strachan wrote:
>> Dims & Sanjiva
>>
>> Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new
>> podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to
>> join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache
>> community with folks from Agila, Geronimo, ServiceMix, & WS involved
>> to insure plenty of cross pollination.
>
> Wow I feel "special" to get asked liked this ;-).
>
> I was going to ask to join anyway .. so I'll be happy to.

Great! :)


> However, I
> would like to request some changes:
>
> - Under warning signs, in the "Homogenous developers" category it  
> lists
> developers from Sybase, IBM & LogicBlaze. Is it the case that the
> *current* codebase has contribs from all these companies? If not I
> believe the spirit of the question is about the current codebase, not
> about the group that'll get it thru incubation. So please indicate who
> wrote the current codebase (which I believe is all Synbase).

Good point - fixed.


> - The initial committers list is very long. I'm on service-mix dev  
> and I
> see only 2-3 people committing

Have you tried looking at the SVN logs? The codebase has only been in  
the incubator for 2 months and 12 folks have been hacking the code  
furiously (and we're still waiting for karma for a couple more  
committers).


> (and little or no discussion; am I
> missing some stuff??).

Maybe you're email filters are hiding email? There's a fair amount of  
discussion...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ 
200602.mbox/thread
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ 
200601.mbox/thread
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ 
200512.mbox/thread

There's plenty of background chatter on IRC too if you need more chat  
(though important decisions and votes always take place via email)


> Can we try to list people who are really going to
> write code for this? It doesn't make sense to list *23* committers
> unless they will really write code.

They will.


> We can always bring people on board
> as they start contributing. If all these people are really so hot to
> mess with a BPEL impl, damn, I should feel really good about BPEL ;-).

You should as they are. The people listed who are servicemix  
committers have committed substantial code already to ServiceMix and  
are keen to work on the integration of BPEL + ServiceMix along with  
enhancing the core BPEL engine (such as the management & persistence  
piece). The Sybase folks wrote the original code and the Agila  
committer is the guy who wrote all the BPEL code in Agila - so far  
I'm happy with the committer list.


> - Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about  
> this
> project, how about if we get the Incubator PMC to sponsor this  
> poddling?

Why does the sponsor PMC make any difference to whether the BPEL  
engine goes top level or not? e.g. Tuscany is sponsored by WS and is  
gonna be a TLP?

Given the Geronimo PMC did vote to accept the patch into ServiceMix  
(though given the general sentiment to use a separate podling we've  
backed off), we'd rather stick to the same sponsor PMC for the moment.

James
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