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From: Dain Sundstrom <dain@iq80.com>
Subject: Re: Removing attributes and refs from the config.xml
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:29:15 -0800
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org

I think we are all past the old concerns.  The problem now is how do  
we switch, which is not an easy problem.  On my laptop I have about  
half of the server switched to use xbean-reflect, which is xml  
friendly, but I got sucked into the configId problem.

-dain

On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:

> On 2/26/06, Jason Dillon <jason@planet57.com> wrote:
>> Why would anyone object to using XBean+Spring?
>>
>> I think that sounds like a good idea.
>
> Well the objection wasn't to XBean and Spring per se - they weren't
> even in the picture back then. The objection was to using XML as the
> configuraiton mechanism instead of CAR files. Way back when CARs were
> being suggested as the configuration mechanism, I entered the debate
> with the rationale that we should use XML instead because it's is easy
> to change, it's easy to understand, etc. At that time, there were
> objections to this line of reasoning because of the overhead of
> parsing the XML on every startup. The argument was made that CAR files
> would start up much faster. I have no idea if this is true or not but
> IMO the advantages of using XML (and a well known XML dialect like
> Spring) far outweigh the disadvantages, especially when it comes to
> offering users a simple but very powerful experience.
>
> Bruce
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