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From Hernan Cunico <hcun...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Re: Roadmap, tasks and things to do?]
Date Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:11:27 GMT
Hi Calvin,
this is a great discussion, we need more people to jump in.
I put some comments inline.

Calvin Austin wrote:
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
> 
>> Hi Calvin,
>> I saw your prev note, good follow up. It is in my TO DO list to reply :)
>> I had planned to cover not just JBoss but also WebLogic, iPlanet, 
>> Oracle AS and Websphere. Again, that was my original plan but then I 
>> saw the need for expanding to other topics and I could not keep up the 
>> pace with my original idea for migration.
>> I was also expecting to get more people involved in the doc.
> 
> 
> JBoss would have been my first choice too, I've met a few JBoss users 
> who would like to move if they had the opportunity.
> 
>>
>> It would be great if we can continue the work on the migration area. 
>> I've done several migrations in the past (across vendors and 
>> platforms) and would really like to continue develoing this section 
>> but  I am not having the time. I am now trying to focus on the hot 
>> topics discussed on the dev list.
> 
> 
> Just reading the dev list is a task!
> 
>>
>> What is your idea to take back on the migration section
> 
> 
> I have a couple of ideas, 1) Help fill in any gaps in your current 
> migration docs 2) I have 'access' for a better choice of words to a 
> partner who is going to go through some real life migrations, I want to 
> capture all that information and propose a tool if the work is too 
> manual 3) start placeholders for the other apps servers and work through 
> at least two

What platform are you planning to start migrating from?

I wrote a book based on a migration experience from a customer, it was a great experience
for 
everybody but I would count customer migrations as "Case studies" instead of adding them to
a 
subsection in the general "Migrating to Apahe Geronimo" section.

Migration tools/plugins are another great idea. I have used a few plugins in Rational for
migrating 
CMPs but could not find a way to automate the migration for the rest of the sample apps.

Feel free to add the place holders (and content) :) in the migration section. Let me know
if you 
need a hand with confluence.

Cheers!
Hernan

> 
> regards
> calvin
> 
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Calvin Austin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hernan
>>>
>>> Have you considered migrations from other app servers too, obviously 
>>> IBM has their own roadmap with websphere, but what about weblogic, 
>>> sun/iplanet/sunone, oracle app server? I know when I tried to move 
>>> petstore over originally I ended up trying to automate as much as I 
>>> could
>>>
>>> regards
>>> calvin
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: Roadmap, tasks and things to do?
>>> From:
>>> Calvin Austin <caustin@spikesource.com>
>>> Date:
>>> Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:27:13 -0800
>>> To:
>>> dev@geronimo.apache.org
>>>
>>> To:
>>> dev@geronimo.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ever since we shipped 1.0, I have been getting a surprising number 
>>>> of  private emails from old fiends, old Geronimo contributers, 
>>>> companies,  and just random people telling me that the are excited 
>>>> about Geronimo  and want to join in.  They all inevitably ask me for 
>>>> advise on what  to work on, and I really have no idea other than 
>>>> "look at JIRA". So  I'd like to solicit the community to help me 
>>>> create a roadmap, tasks,  things to do list, what ever we call it.
>>>>
>>>> Before we get into building this, I'd like to focus the discussion,  
>>>> so we don't end up in mailing-list fantasy land :)  Lets agree to 
>>>> not  talk about the technology used to track the tasks; once we have 
>>>> the  content we can discuss using JIRA, wiki, html or creating a 
>>>> Gopher  site.  Secondly, lets focus on things that are reasonable to 
>>>> do in  the next 9 months.  Finally, don't worry about someone else 
>>>> working  on something you want to work on.  With open communication 
>>>> on the  mailing list, I think everyone will be able to work 
>>>> something they  find interesting without stepping on toes.  Oh, one 
>>>> final thing,  please don't try to "take a task" until we have this 
>>>> list complete.
>>>>
>>>> Without further delay, here are some things off the top of my head:
>>>>
>>>> o Conversion to Maven 2 - Very important and a huge task
>>>>
>>>> o Ant versions of the Geronimo plugins
>>>>
>>>> o  XDoclet for all configurations
>>>>
>>>> o Integration tests that cover servlets, webservices and jms
>>>>
>>>> o Little-G - Geronimo with a small foot print
>>>>
>>>> o Global non-persistent JNDI implementation
>>>>
>>>> o EJB 2.x - Once I get my refractor committed, it will be obvious  
>>>> where the 2.x implementation needs work like better caching
>>>>
>>>> o JEE 5 - There is a ton of stuff under this, but it would be good 
>>>> to  start with a list of what is required for JEE 5
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to speak for the other ares of Geronimo I don't work 
>>>> on  regularly, but I am sure that there are good opportunities to 
>>>> help in  the console, jms, javamail, ejb, clustering, esb/jbi/bpm, 
>>>> tooling,  performance, build, testing, samples, documentation, so if 
>>>> you are  more familiar with one of those areas, please post.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a "once in a project chance" to build a big vibrant  
>>>> community of developers, and let's not let it pass us by.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After following the discussions about project donations over the past 
>>> week and the sometimes difficult questions each donation raises. I 
>>> think its a good time to revisit this wishlist to see how it all fits 
>>> together in a bigger picture.
>>>
>>> What would be the top 3 things that would make Geronimo successful 
>>> and the de-facto choice for open source J2EE app developers?
>>>
>>> My personal choice would be
>>> 1. To make it easy for developers to start or migrate to Geronimo, 
>>> that could be migration tools/deployment, how to documentation (there 
>>> are some good examples so far, Hernan and others are very focused on 
>>> JBoss :*), feature set leveling (obviously in process), testing that 
>>> your app still works!. Some donations may fit here.
>>> 2. Make the release/build process more agile, resilient (eg maven2/ant)
>>> 3. First place to come for latest J2EE technology.
>>>
>>> If anyone else is interesting in 1) migration activities then let me 
>>> know, I think with Hernans great start we can divide the workload up 
>>> and finish this task sooner than later
>>>
>>> regards
>>> calvin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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